Why Do People Care About Time Travelers?
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Why'd you make another thread?
I haven't been TTing in New Horizons, but I did it a lot in New Leaf after awhile and I also did it a fair amount in City Folk.
People can play the game how they want.
The only reason I haven't TTed this time is I didn't want to experience burnout from finishing everything too quick. You get the instant gratification if you TT, but you reach goals faster too which will inevitably lead to you becoming bored. I felt playing the game as intended would lead to better enjoyment for myself.
That being said, I believe some people TT because their schedule doesn't allow them to play during times when the stores are open and available to use. I can understand that because I work overnights (10pm-7am) and I seldom get to play during the main part of the day. It can be difficult to catch certain bugs or fish if you are not awake during the hours they spawn.
People can play the game how they want.
The only reason I haven't TTed this time is I didn't want to experience burnout from finishing everything too quick. You get the instant gratification if you TT, but you reach goals faster too which will inevitably lead to you becoming bored. I felt playing the game as intended would lead to better enjoyment for myself.
That being said, I believe some people TT because their schedule doesn't allow them to play during times when the stores are open and available to use. I can understand that because I work overnights (10pm-7am) and I seldom get to play during the main part of the day. It can be difficult to catch certain bugs or fish if you are not awake during the hours they spawn.
I mean, to be fair, I thought that paintings and Redd were a base feature in New Leaf? I don't think it was added in after as a content update. So, IMO, they should have been included from the start.
lyradelphie04
asian stereotype
I don't time travel purely because I'm newer to the whole franchise and don't want to experience things all at once. I want to wait things out and see how things play along. But I find people who catalog and time travel a blessing because it means there are good things that are easily accessible for me!
Part of me doesn't get why teens who are stuck at home from quarantine are time traveling, it's not like they have a limited amount of time to play. But also, I understand that there are a lot of completionists out there who want to fill their museum or unlock things faster.
But just because I don't get it and don't want to do it, doesn't mean by anything that people shouldn't do it. And the whole public shaming of it all is absolutely ridiculous. People pay good money for their consoles and games. They should be able to do whatever they want.
Part of me doesn't get why teens who are stuck at home from quarantine are time traveling, it's not like they have a limited amount of time to play. But also, I understand that there are a lot of completionists out there who want to fill their museum or unlock things faster.
But just because I don't get it and don't want to do it, doesn't mean by anything that people shouldn't do it. And the whole public shaming of it all is absolutely ridiculous. People pay good money for their consoles and games. They should be able to do whatever they want.
Just for the record, I don't think you all should be using "public shaming". This is not what that is. There are a lot of people that like to demean and put you down, but I wouldn't call it public shaming.
When I refer to it, I refer to it as sort of a sub group of accusers. Public shaming would be me and a handful of people pointing at specific individuals. Saying public shaming makes it seem like this is on a corporate sale and you we are outside protesting like irl stuff.
Lol choose a better phrase is all I'm saying.
When I refer to it, I refer to it as sort of a sub group of accusers. Public shaming would be me and a handful of people pointing at specific individuals. Saying public shaming makes it seem like this is on a corporate sale and you we are outside protesting like irl stuff.
Lol choose a better phrase is all I'm saying.
thelonewanderer
Senior Member
Thank you for that perspective. I never thought of it that way. Does it really dictate one schedule though? I mean missing Daisy Mae isn't the end of the world sort of thing. I think missing Celeste with my schedule is probably worst but even if people miss out, they still have other chances. For example, your husband could travel to other people island and buy turnips from Daisy Mae over there instead. There always a fix. Like for me, I could always buy Celeste DIY from other people if things don't get better.
I understand economy concerns with TTing (and crazy markup prices are somewhat of an issue), but you can't deny that TTing brings supply (quantity of items (through nook's, catalog refreshes daily), diy recipes since they're somewhat time-gated, fossils, etc.) to meet the demand. If you can't afford to pay for an item, then you have to wait to collect it from your own shop, or barter for it.
That's kind of a null comparison.
Everything was included from the start in NL, except for the amiibo update. At the time games didn't follow the regular update model as much because of various limitations. You are comparing NH to an almost 10 year old game now, things were different back then.
I feel like this model is something Nintendo had been wishing for from the very start. I mean fair enough of you wish paintings had been included from the start bit it's not like we haven't had anything to do this month. I also think it's wise not to overwhelm new players. Overall I fully support the model, any discussions further comes down to personal taste but to the neutral observer, I think this model seems more than fair.
The user's original thread was shut down for reasons outside of their control. It was okay for them to make a new one.
I personally consider time travel cheating. It's a game designed to be played in real-time and I see manipulating the game clock to go against that. I know that for me, personally, any kind of cheating in games tends to lead to me becoming bored with them very soon after - so I prefer not to do it. But I don't care whether or not other people do it. I've never been one to care about "keeping up" or "falling behind" the community and spoilers in a game like this don't bother me. I play at my own pace and if someone else is ahead of me, or richer than me, then that's fine.
thelonewanderer
Senior Member
For some reason everytime you reply to someone and a new reply happen, everything get push down which is so annoying!
I'm going to make this my official post for why I feel so strongly against time travelers and will copy and paste it from further out.
I feel people on here often misunderstand my point and assume I am "gatekeeping". I don't care how you play because it doesn't affect me in any way shape or form but it does effect others and that where I draw the line. This isn't just a single player game, this is a single player game with a massive online economy! So yes how you play affect others directly or indirectly.
I don't care that TTers tend to spoil content since I don't bother with social media and personally I don't like surprises, in fact I like to know what contents are out there. I don't care about your perfect towns as I find it rather souless to began with, and so many perfect towns all starting to look similar. I don't care about buying or selling dreamie since I don't participate in animal trafficking, I only do giveaways instead. That the type of caring person I am. I rather make someone happy then nickle and dime them.
So why do I dislike Time Travelers if it doesn't affect me? I'll list the reasons below.
1. Time travelers with perfect town often make other people feel bad. How many times on here have you seen people post about wanting to reset or being upset and sad that their island look nothing like those "perfect town" that TTers do?
2. TTers tend to spoil content indirectly or directly that affects others because they only care about their own self-interest and not the interest of the community as a whole.
3. TTers have such a massive advantages when it comes to bells and NMT that non TTers can never compete. It literally like putting on a cheat code and once that happen, the entire online economy is inflated. People with 20 NMT will never be able to complete for their dreamy like someone with 200+ NMT. But TTers once again don't really care that they are screwing someone else out of their dreamy since rules don't apply to them.
4. I'm fed up with TTers complaining about everything! Complaining how the game is so boring or how Nintendo need to cater to them because they think real time is stupid. Complaining about how they have to move buildings again because their town is already perfect not understanding that this is a game meant to be play for years and having a perfect town right now defeat the purpose!
I'm tire of TTers refering to my villager as just "pixel" or "it not that serious man", or the infamous "You must be a troll" insult because they can't comprehend that someone has a different opinion from them. TTers already care about their own self interest thus acting immature as a result. I have never insult anyone on here, I voice my strong opinion but I never insult anyone and people who insult someone because of their disagreement is not mature.
Now with the latest update, I see TTers complaining about how Nintendo restrict content and they rather have Nintendo cut content instead because it would feed their ego much better. You can't have your cake and eat it too, I know I know that seem to be a hard concept to grasp for TTers.
Then you got TTers who literally will make threads (on other forum) making every excuses in the book on why Time Traveling isn't cheating and when others give them valid reason, they continue to ignore. One other thing is personal responsibility or lack there off. Its on thing to TT but all TTers always travel backward to sync with the clock, why? If you want to TT then you should have to be on the day that you are currently at. If TT is not wrong, why do you feel the need to time travel backward to the correct date?
I am a person that cares about others even on things that don't affect me. I have sympathy for others and can sense other people pain/anger. I am open-minded on these things as unlike many TTers, I give away villagers like I did in New Leaf when I gave away Marshal for FREE three times. I'm all about helping the community grow and prosper. I don't put my own self interest ahead of the community because none of the stuff that TTers do bother me personally. Everyday I feel I'm losing more faith in humanity. I am however not open minded when it come to TTers because I already list the reason why they negatively affect the games for "others".
And one last thing I want to add is the fact that TTers don't complaint about non-TTers because there is nothing to complain about so they resort to hurling insult. You can't say anything about non-tters because we haven't done anything wrong.
Personally being an ENFP (if you believe in label) and having the ability to see other people perspective, and sensing their frustration is an absolute curse. I rather just be like most people here and put my own self interest first.
I'm going to make this my official post for why I feel so strongly against time travelers and will copy and paste it from further out.
I feel people on here often misunderstand my point and assume I am "gatekeeping". I don't care how you play because it doesn't affect me in any way shape or form but it does effect others and that where I draw the line. This isn't just a single player game, this is a single player game with a massive online economy! So yes how you play affect others directly or indirectly.
I don't care that TTers tend to spoil content since I don't bother with social media and personally I don't like surprises, in fact I like to know what contents are out there. I don't care about your perfect towns as I find it rather souless to began with, and so many perfect towns all starting to look similar. I don't care about buying or selling dreamie since I don't participate in animal trafficking, I only do giveaways instead. That the type of caring person I am. I rather make someone happy then nickle and dime them.
So why do I dislike Time Travelers if it doesn't affect me? I'll list the reasons below.
1. Time travelers with perfect town often make other people feel bad. How many times on here have you seen people post about wanting to reset or being upset and sad that their island look nothing like those "perfect town" that TTers do?
2. TTers tend to spoil content indirectly or directly that affects others because they only care about their own self-interest and not the interest of the community as a whole.
3. TTers have such a massive advantages when it comes to bells and NMT that non TTers can never compete. It literally like putting on a cheat code and once that happen, the entire online economy is inflated. People with 20 NMT will never be able to complete for their dreamy like someone with 200+ NMT. But TTers once again don't really care that they are screwing someone else out of their dreamy since rules don't apply to them.
4. I'm fed up with TTers complaining about everything! Complaining how the game is so boring or how Nintendo need to cater to them because they think real time is stupid. Complaining about how they have to move buildings again because their town is already perfect not understanding that this is a game meant to be play for years and having a perfect town right now defeat the purpose!
I'm tire of TTers refering to my villager as just "pixel" or "it not that serious man", or the infamous "You must be a troll" insult because they can't comprehend that someone has a different opinion from them. TTers already care about their own self interest thus acting immature as a result. I have never insult anyone on here, I voice my strong opinion but I never insult anyone and people who insult someone because of their disagreement is not mature.
Now with the latest update, I see TTers complaining about how Nintendo restrict content and they rather have Nintendo cut content instead because it would feed their ego much better. You can't have your cake and eat it too, I know I know that seem to be a hard concept to grasp for TTers.
Then you got TTers who literally will make threads (on other forum) making every excuses in the book on why Time Traveling isn't cheating and when others give them valid reason, they continue to ignore. One other thing is personal responsibility or lack there off. Its on thing to TT but all TTers always travel backward to sync with the clock, why? If you want to TT then you should have to be on the day that you are currently at. If TT is not wrong, why do you feel the need to time travel backward to the correct date?
I am a person that cares about others even on things that don't affect me. I have sympathy for others and can sense other people pain/anger. I am open-minded on these things as unlike many TTers, I give away villagers like I did in New Leaf when I gave away Marshal for FREE three times. I'm all about helping the community grow and prosper. I don't put my own self interest ahead of the community because none of the stuff that TTers do bother me personally. Everyday I feel I'm losing more faith in humanity. I am however not open minded when it come to TTers because I already list the reason why they negatively affect the games for "others".
And one last thing I want to add is the fact that TTers don't complaint about non-TTers because there is nothing to complain about so they resort to hurling insult. You can't say anything about non-tters because we haven't done anything wrong.
Personally being an ENFP (if you believe in label) and having the ability to see other people perspective, and sensing their frustration is an absolute curse. I rather just be like most people here and put my own self interest first.
The people who claim to hate time traveling are the same people who expect me to churn out 20+ items from my shop in one day knowing very well that I order them from my catalog and there’s daily limit of five orders.
I usually don’t time travel because I don’t want to advance too quickly. Personally, I want this game to last because I waited so long for it. I‘ve only done it two or three times to speed up orders in my shop but it messed up a few things in my game so from that point forward I decided that people just need to be patient.
I do feel like theres a line to TTing. Someone CAN do it too much. But will I police someone I don’t know personally? Of course not.
I usually don’t time travel because I don’t want to advance too quickly. Personally, I want this game to last because I waited so long for it. I‘ve only done it two or three times to speed up orders in my shop but it messed up a few things in my game so from that point forward I decided that people just need to be patient.
I do feel like theres a line to TTing. Someone CAN do it too much. But will I police someone I don’t know personally? Of course not.
thelonewanderer
Senior Member
I literally have no problem with you. I am not against all TTers. TTers exist for people like you who have trouble with the game due to work which I completely understand. But people like yourself are not the majority of TTers and are not the TTers who I have problem with. There are many good reason why people TT and due to work is one of the best example. There are no bad guy in AC other than dupers and ebay sellers.
I think TTers fail to understand that those of us who feel strongly against TT don't have a problem with every TTers. I can tell you love AC and would play it the other way if TT wasn't an option, but that not really the case with a lot of TTers that I interact with. I mean we got folks (on other forum) complaining how real time is stupid and how AC need to cater to their playstyle because it not a mobile game and etc... You get my point.
TTers are complaining about how their perfect town is now ruin because Nintendo are now adding new standalone buildings and etc...
Fuzzysaurus Rex
Golden Fuzzy
I don't know if you can say this is the majority of TTers either. There's certainly a group that does what you claim but I hardly think they're a majority- sometimes the smallest minority is also the loudeset. I think this is less an all-around TTer issue and rather an issue with the "Power Grinder" TTer sub-type I described in another comment- the ones who need everything to be built up all the way ASAP- and while I don't play that way, frankly I don't care if they do. I like seeing the layout and decorating ideas those people come up with. There's a lot of creativity in that group, I've even gotten some good ideas from looking at their towns but because they've gotten so far new buildings may make them have to redo things. Which is their fault of course but most will probably end up enjoying the challenge anyway even if they're complaining a bit now. It's way too early in this game's lifespan to decide any one type of play is "ruining" the game (aside from hackers using their skills for the evils of e-scalping, of course). There's always gonna be some people complaining about dumb things but they'll get over it or move on eventually. My advice is just worry about your own experience, not others (aside from general discussion).
I understand your passion about the game, and agree with your points somewhat, but still feel like I want to respond to some of it. For the record, I TT a little bit but about 60% of the time play the game in real-time, so take that with whatever you'd like.
TTing gives you an advantage, but it's not particularly a massive one. Ever sold turnips at any price higher than 500-600? Some of those people got lucky, yes, but a lot of them got lucky because they were time travelling.
I don't really see TTers complain about the game being boring. If anything, they did it to themselves and should at least be self-aware enough to admit that.
Complaining about moving buildings again is a completely fair criticism of the system. It costs 50,000 bells (even if you don't care about 50k, sure, whatever) and you can only move one building a day. Have your village planned out but have to move your buildings one by one? Place your house down wrong by a pixel and have to wait a day to do it over again? It's understandably frustrating. You can't move bridges or inclines (you have to delete them and remake them). If you decide you don't like the design on one of them, well, you have to destroy it and rebuild it again. With how simple placing furniture outside, moving trees, laying paths, and changing your river layout has made the town customization, it's surprising that moving houses and buildings be so timegated.
It's a different interpretation of how they perceive their game. You also seem to be unfairly lumping all TTers together. I don't think you're a troll (that term gets incorrectly overused all the time anyways), just think that you're coming off a bit overaggressive here, and I'd like to have a discussion about your views because I think that many of them are fair.
I think that's a great quality to have, compassion is super hard to come across these days. I also feel for the people who can't afford to pay ridiculous market prices on some of their dreamies, so I plan to give some of my more popular villagers away for a relatively low price when they ping me to move out.
I just disagree with your blanket statements against TTers ruining the community and ruining the economy. Yes, some of them complain. I have no problem imagining that some TTers take advantage of others by charging outrageous amounts for some things (the fact that people are willing to pay that much contributes just as much to the problem).
This is more of a town-planner vs non-town-planner complaint lol. To accomodate more buildings, I have to tear down displays, move villager houses around (see above for why I think moving villager houses gets frustrating), and rearrange a large portion of my town. I planned my town around just two player houses, 10 villager houses, resident services, museum, able sisters, and nooks. Adding another building to that mix is a bit of a pain.
This is probably an issue from before most people got terraforming or their Nook's Cranny upgrades. Now that we're a month into the game, the only thing that separates TTers from non-TTers in this aspect is how many hours they've put into this game. I think that social media is toxic, perfectionism is a plague upon this generation of society, but that's not limited to animal crossing. How many Instagrammers have "perfect lives", that super expensive designer purse, or a gorgeous house? They have those things because that's all they show to the world. Yet behind the scenes, they could be body-shaming themselves, think they're worthless, or be in debt because they failed to budget correctly and threw their money into their lifestyle. My point here is that perfectionism, and by the same extent, the "perfect animal crossing town" doesn't exist, and is toxic. Sure, their town looks better than yours. But who cares, as long as you like yours? My town isn't "perfect". I'm still at a 3-star rating. I have parts of it that I like, and parts of it that I don't. Others, however, only have compliments. So honestly, stop comparing yourselves to whatever you're seeing on social media, you're doing yourself a disservice.
What spoilers are even in Animal Crossing? Seasons? Nook's Cranny getting an upgrade? Okay, I guess... but if you've played previous installments, it's not particularly difficult to guess that yes, seasonal items exist and that there would probably be seasonal DIYs (if the sakura/bunny day ones weren't enough to give it away, I don't know what is). While the items themselves, perhaps being unobtainable right now, I guess that's an issue, but personally it gives me something to look forward to. This is kind of a valid point though, but I don't think it's correct to attack TTers as being self-interested for that.
Not really, though TTers bring supply to meet the demand. It's simple economics at that point. Dreamies are an issue, but it's never been easy to get your perfect dreamies or your perfect 10 villagers. People paying 1000 NMT for Raymond need to be stopped, probably. And the fact that he's so ridiculously rare and popular is another issue. Though honestly, if your 10 dreamies also happen to be the 10 most popular characters, than of course they're going to be expensive. There's a limited supply of villagers moving out, and high demand.
TTing gives you an advantage, but it's not particularly a massive one. Ever sold turnips at any price higher than 500-600? Some of those people got lucky, yes, but a lot of them got lucky because they were time travelling.
I don't really see TTers complain about the game being boring. If anything, they did it to themselves and should at least be self-aware enough to admit that.
Complaining about moving buildings again is a completely fair criticism of the system. It costs 50,000 bells (even if you don't care about 50k, sure, whatever) and you can only move one building a day. Have your village planned out but have to move your buildings one by one? Place your house down wrong by a pixel and have to wait a day to do it over again? It's understandably frustrating. You can't move bridges or inclines (you have to delete them and remake them). If you decide you don't like the design on one of them, well, you have to destroy it and rebuild it again. With how simple placing furniture outside, moving trees, laying paths, and changing your river layout has made the town customization, it's surprising that moving houses and buildings be so timegated.
It's a different interpretation of how they perceive their game. You also seem to be unfairly lumping all TTers together. I don't think you're a troll (that term gets incorrectly overused all the time anyways), just think that you're coming off a bit overaggressive here, and I'd like to have a discussion about your views because I think that many of them are fair.
I think that's a great quality to have, compassion is super hard to come across these days. I also feel for the people who can't afford to pay ridiculous market prices on some of their dreamies, so I plan to give some of my more popular villagers away for a relatively low price when they ping me to move out.
I just disagree with your blanket statements against TTers ruining the community and ruining the economy. Yes, some of them complain. I have no problem imagining that some TTers take advantage of others by charging outrageous amounts for some things (the fact that people are willing to pay that much contributes just as much to the problem).
I haven't read all the rest of this thread, but there's angry/mean people all over the internet, regardless of TTer/non-TTer/political affiliation/gender/etc.
This is more of a town-planner vs non-town-planner complaint lol. To accomodate more buildings, I have to tear down displays, move villager houses around (see above for why I think moving villager houses gets frustrating), and rearrange a large portion of my town. I planned my town around just two player houses, 10 villager houses, resident services, museum, able sisters, and nooks. Adding another building to that mix is a bit of a pain.
IMO, I disagree with this post overall.
1. It's not their fault if they post their 'perfect town' and other people feel bad. I don't say this to discredit or otherwise diminish how other people feel, but I think it's an unfair statement. I see lots of amazing and perfect islands, but I don't find fault with it. I simply play at my own pace. I, frankly, find it kind of rude that you also insinuate that 'perfect towns' are somehow soulless? Some people have put a lot of effort and thought into their island, even with tt, and it seems very harsh to paint this sort of image.
I don't deny that tters do spoil content, and they have some effect on the economy, but that isn't JUST because of tters. The existence of modded switches and save file manipulation also contributes. You only have to look at the real money transcations on eBay for 300+ tickets.
You seem to have a very set opinion of tters, and that's your perogative, but I can't help but notice the broad generalisations and undertones of your post despite your claims. There are very nice people who tt because of a variety of reasons, many who do giveaways and really bring something to the community, just as there are non-tters. That's my 2c.
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I time travel because I work all day and I am too tired to play sometimes or would rather spend time with my boyfriend. I’m also too impatient to wait a whole day to go by just for a bridge to be built or for a villager to move out, so.
I fall into the "It's not how Nintendo intended the game to be played" a bit. The entire point of tying it to real-time and being a slow burn was you were supposed to experience slow small-town/island-life/whatever. Also technically speaking, it's kinda a game that teaches kids about scarcity, managing money, patience, sharing, etc. There is a reason the game auto-rots turnips if you TT back in time, for example.
At the end of the day, I don't *really* mind as long as you aren't spoiling others or ruining the trading economy, but I do feel you are kinda cheating yourself out of the true experience by TT. And for sure there are unfortunately A LOT of people showing off islands that are not possible without TT that make others feel bad like they are missing out if their island isn't as progressed, and the trade markets are completely out of wack due to TT and duping.
What angiepie said above is a totally valid reason to still allow some amount of TT to be done: People get busy IRL sometimes and it would be a shame to say, completely miss the fishing tourney for the season if you weren't able to play.
At the end of the day, I don't *really* mind as long as you aren't spoiling others or ruining the trading economy, but I do feel you are kinda cheating yourself out of the true experience by TT. And for sure there are unfortunately A LOT of people showing off islands that are not possible without TT that make others feel bad like they are missing out if their island isn't as progressed, and the trade markets are completely out of wack due to TT and duping.
What angiepie said above is a totally valid reason to still allow some amount of TT to be done: People get busy IRL sometimes and it would be a shame to say, completely miss the fishing tourney for the season if you weren't able to play.
