What pronoun do you use to refer to Sheik?

[Cadbberry]

I refer to Sheik as either just Sheik or on rare occasions he never she always he

 

[oranges_ate_you]

Also you say I type like an infant, thats so funny cause someone had to tell creepysheepy that her Hyrule Warriors board wasnt in caps and she had to go edit her bad typing into caps to be proper i read it just now

 

[Saylor]

... I use "he".

 

[oranges_ate_you]

The only time mini mod is nice to people is when people agree with her. now that isnt very nice is it

 

[Cadbberry]

What did I do to you? I was just asking everyone to stop arguing. I never said I disliked anyone or was trying to be mean. I was just voicing what I thought needed to be addressed and that is all there is to it.

 

[Mephisto Pheles]

Oranges, I know you're just going to accuse me of "mini-modding" again, but you really need to ditch the "I'm better than all of you and you're all dumb" attitude. If not for others sake, at least do it so you don't get yourself banned. :/ Because believe me, if you keep it up, that's exactly what will happen.

 

[n64king]

I'm laughing how one board you're all nice but this board is a fight for some reason. It's like the same people too...

 

[Cadbberry]

I'm laughing how one board you're all nice but this board is a fight for some reason. It's like the same people too...

I am sorry to have interrupted two boards with the same talk, I hope you all can forgive me

 

[n64king]

Lol I just meant how we're all being nice in the Smash Bros board but here it's like
Not you specifically

 

[Cadbberry]

Lol I just meant how we're all being nice in the Smash Bros board but here it's like

Sorry, I feel bad for making people feel angry or upset so I apologize to everyone, again

 

[Hana-Nezumi]

My first post was a joke - because I thought it was strange that some people are willing to call Zelda "Shiek", but won't call Zelda when in Shiek-mode "he". In other words, if you can accept her disguise, why can't you accept the gender she chose for her disguise?

And what?? I never said she secretly likes to be a man. Don't put words in my mouth. :/


Here, look at it as an "Actor and Character" sort of relationship - the actor in this case (Zelda) is a woman, but the character she plays (Shiek) is a man.
Now, imagine someone gets a role in a movie or play, who is a woman, but the character they're playing as is a man; Would you refer to the character as "she", just because of the actors gender?

That's a good analogy and in line with my reasoning for calling Sheik he.

 

[baller]

y do we have to be constrained to 2 genders, have some respect 4 the ppl with oppressed sexualties

 

[Story]

She's a women, if she identifies herself as a women. Even though she is a cross dresser, that doesn't really mean she wants to be regarded as a male. I honestly think it's as simple as that.
And I say this without ever playing Ocarina of Time.

I'm interested in this debate though.
I wrote a character like this who disguised himself as a women and later cross dressed as a hobby/personal preference. He often brings up that he's a male when asked and actively denies being homosexual or bisexual. He just likes women's clothing.
Feel free to clarify if this is "impossible" or unusual for a cross dresser if you are better familar with the culture than I am.

 

[TheCreeperHugz]

She's a women, if she identifies herself as a women. Even though she is a cross dresser, that doesn't really mean she wants to be regarded as a male. I honestly think it's as simple as that.
And I say this without ever playing Ocarina of Time.

I'm interested in this debate though.
I wrote a character like this who disguised himself as a women and later cross dressed as a hobby/personal preference. He often brings up that he's a male when asked and actively denies being homosexual or bisexual. He just likes women's clothing.
Feel free to clarify if this is "impossible" or unusual for a cross dresser if you are better familar with the culture than I am.

It depends on the person, really. Some prefer to be refered to as female when cross dressing, some still prefer male. This mornin in the newspaper, in the good deed feed, someone said 'thank you to a waitress In Wilkinsons for referring to me as 'miss' when I was cross dressing the other day, despite my hefty beard growth.' So that person prefered to be referred to as a female, whereas I've met some people who would still rather be referred to as male, like your character.
In situations like that, it's usually better to ask the perform what they would like to be called, which is why I refer to Sheik as 'they', since it's not actually possible to ask them.

 

[Story]

It depends on the person, really. Some prefer to be refered to as female when cross dressing, some still prefer male. This mornin in the newspaper, in the good deed feed, someone said 'thank you to a waitress In Wilkinsons for referring to me as 'miss' when I was cross dressing the other day, despite my hefty beard growth.' So that person prefered to be referred to as a female, whereas I've met some people who would still rather be referred to as male, like your character.
In situations like that, it's usually better to ask the perform what they would like to be called, which is why I refer to Sheik as 'they', since it's not actually possible to ask them.

Ah, that makes a lot of sense.
Thanks for clarifying.

 

[Radagast]

Sheik is Zelda presenting as male.

it's Zelda as a boy

But is this even true? Sheik herself never stated her own gender identity, only having been called a "young man" by someone else who might have been mistaken. I mean, Ruto didn't know Sheik was Zelda anyway

In other words, if you can accept her disguise, why can't you accept the gender she chose for her disguise?

the actor in this case (Zelda) is a woman, but the character she plays (Shiek) is a man.

I totally see your point and this might seem like a nitpick, but isn't it just an assumption that the gender she chose for her disguise is male, and that the character she plays is a man? In fact, Eiji Aonuma himself has said:

"We recently received information from a survey conducted in the US that indicated that, among our female characters, users had a preference for those that were more on the independent side, such as Shiek and Tetra"

It's also important to note that Sheik was referred to with female pronouns on the official Zelda website and her trophy descriptions in Super Smash Bros. Melee and Brawl

 

[Tessie]

I always say She...Sheik is Zelda in my opinion so yeah. I know others have different theories lol

y do we have to be constrained to 2 genders, have some respect 4 the ppl with oppressed sexualties

preach~~~~

 

[oranges_ate_you]

some people said the exact same thing as me but you dont stomp their opinion out. really rude op

 

[Hana-Nezumi]

She's a women, if she identifies herself as a women. Even though she is a cross dresser, that doesn't really mean she wants to be regarded as a male. I honestly think it's as simple as that.
And I say this without ever playing Ocarina of Time.

I'm interested in this debate though.
I wrote a character like this who disguised himself as a women and later cross dressed as a hobby/personal preference. He often brings up that he's a male when asked and actively denies being homosexual or bisexual. He just likes women's clothing.
Feel free to clarify if this is "impossible" or unusual for a cross dresser if you are better familar with the culture than I am.

I actually am a crossdresser myself, who is not transgender. I am a male who sometimes dresses like a female.
Personally I prefer to be called "he". I'm not taking on a different identity when I wear female clothing. It's just clothes to me and I still feel like the same person and still identify as male. But I only expect people who actually know me to be aware of that. Strangers of course will call me she and ma'am because that's the appearance I'm presenting externally, and I don't get offended by that.

Other crossdressers may feel differently. For example, transgender people consider themselves to actually be the opposite gender from which they were born. And drag queens take on a female role as an act of artistic performance.

In Sheik's case though, it is Zelda living out the role of a man. Zelda is female but the alternate identity of Sheik that she created is a male identity. We can be certain of this because the other characters in the game refer to Sheik as a man. It's part of what makes the big reveal that Zelda is Sheik such a shock.

 

[Cress]

I never really payed attention to it, but I call Sheik a guy l in OoT, and a girl in Smash Bros. Mainly because in OoT, they make Sheik appear male, but in Smash Bros, they don't hide that she's Zelda, and (I think) it says she in the trophy description.