Star Fox 64 Appreciation Thread

[Psychonaut]

@ tye in general:

saying to play against the computer is like saying to play mario party by yourself. it just isn't as fun as if you're playing with real people. for instance, if i wanted to play star fox with you right now, we could. can't do it locally, but it would have via wifi. instead of dicking around with facetime knock-offs, nintendo should focus on a more game-enhancing feature, multiplayer.
really. face-time? with the person you're playing the game with, locally? locally?

i know you aren't a fan of multiplayer (online, at least) at all (beyond as a little "if it's there cool" multiplayer mode"), but it is a huge factor in terms of general longevity, and is never a bad thing to have (unless it takes away from the single player experience, which is unlikely)

i don't have a source on the multiplayer mode outside of the vehicles, but i swear i thought/think it's in there. dunno why it wouldn't be. just gotta wait for somebody to get all the medals, eh?

also, there's two ways i see the sales issue. nintendo overestimated the value of their system (thinking they had another ds on their hands) and are surprised that not as many people snatched it up right away (hence the price drop) or they really did not get good sales, which is what i believe. that is reinforced by them taking a salary cut not too long ago, and the price drop on the new system as well.

but hey, i don't live breathe and eat nintendo sales figures. just calling it as i see it.

 

[rafren]

This thread just made me want to pick Star Fox up.

 

[Psychonaut]

This thread just made me want to pick Star Fox up.

just tryna spread the good word, brother.

if you haven't played star fox 64 before, do so now. it's arguably the better version (if you like the 3ds controls), and is pretty much exactly the same in everything it isn't better at. unless you wanna get the game by other means, which i can't endorse. cough cough?

 

[Grawr]

Tyeforce, you're very clearly a super huge nintendo fan. Which is nice, I am too. However, and take this with a grain of salt - when somebody criticizes a decision Nintendo makes, it doesn't mean they're attacking them or trying to put them down.

It's a fact. The 3DS IS selling poorly when you look at it from Nintendo's point of view. It's worse than that actually, the 3DS is starting to look like more and more of a joke by the day (especially with the announcement of the new add-on nub).

Starfox should have had online mulitplayer, and there is absolutely no excuse from Nintendo as for why it didn't. Does every game with multiplayer need online? No, but nowadays, they all seem to. So we're used to it. And why shouldn't we be? Playing against people online is fun as hell. Who wouldn't rather play with their buddy who lives a few neighborhoods (or states or countries) away than with a computer? Like Psycho said, there are just so many other benefits to it as well.

Tye, I don't say all of this because I hate Nintendo or because I take some sort of sick comfort in "bashing" them and watching you defend their each and every little move. I say this stuff because I love Nintendo, I care about their future, and I want them to be better. If all of Nintendo's fans were constantly satisfied with every decision they ever made, what change would take place? What progress would be made? None, none at all.

Starfox Command for the frickin' original DS had online. There's noooooo reason why this one shouldn't have.

 

[Tyeforce]

@ tye in general:

saying to play against the computer is like saying to play mario party by yourself. it just isn't as fun as if you're playing with real people. for instance, if i wanted to play star fox with you right now, we could. can't do it locally, but it would have via wifi. instead of dicking around with facetime knock-offs, nintendo should focus on a more game-enhancing feature, multiplayer.
really. face-time? with the person you're playing the game with, locally? locally?

i know you aren't a fan of multiplayer (online, at least) at all (beyond as a little "if it's there cool" multiplayer mode"), but it is a huge factor in terms of general longevity, and is never a bad thing to have (unless it takes away from the single player experience, which is unlikely)

i don't have a source on the multiplayer mode outside of the vehicles, but i swear i thought/think it's in there. dunno why it wouldn't be. just gotta wait for somebody to get all the medals, eh?

also, there's two ways i see the sales issue. nintendo overestimated the value of their system (thinking they had another ds on their hands) and are surprised that not as many people snatched it up right away (hence the price drop) or they really did not get good sales, which is what i believe. that is reinforced by them taking a salary cut not too long ago, and the price drop on the new system as well.

but hey, i don't live breathe and eat nintendo sales figures. just calling it as i see it.

No, actually. We couldn't have played Star Fox online when you posted that if it was possible, because I wasn't online at the time. Computers are always there for you, however. ;D =P But really, in Star Fox 64 3D's case, the online multiplayer really wouldn't be much different than playing with a computer. There's no way Nintendo would have let the camera feature stay for online, and there's no voice chat or anything, so it's not like you're interacting with the person in any way. If the person dropped out and a computer took their place in mid game, you probably wouldn't even notice.

And speaking of the camera feature, I know it seems pretty stupid when you're right next to the people you're playing with, but having played it myself, I can tell you that it's actually very amusing. Even though you'll be playing with people who are right next to you, you never see the looks on their faces. You're looking at your screen, not at the faces of people around you. But this features lets you see both, and the results can be quite hilarious sometimes. The first time my boyfriend beat me in Battle Mode, the picture of my face when I lost was the most disappointed face you could imagine, and also very funny. XD I know it's nothing big, and I'm not trying to make it sound like it's better than it is, but it really is a nice addition. It's not as stupid as people think. Pok?mon Black and White's video chat, on the other hand... That's kinda pointless, I'll admit.

Also, what makes you think I'm not a fan of multiplayer? My favorite game of all time happens to be a very multiplayer-heavy game: Super Smash Bros. Brawl. You're right that I don't care much about online multiplayer, but that's because I can have a better experience by playing local multiplayer, or just play against computers if I want (I do this all the time in Brawl). I think very few games (of the games that I like to play, at least) really benefit a lot from online multiplayer. Pok?mon and Animal Crossing are pretty much the only ones, and maybe a few others like Mario Kart, to a lesser extent. More options are always better, of course, but for many games I don't think it really evolves the gameplay beyond providing an alternate way to play against people.

And you're definitely right in thinking that the 3DS didn't sell as well as Nintendo was hoping, which led to the price drop and salary cuts, but that doesn't mean it wasn't selling good. Like I said, it's been on par with, if not better than, the original DS when it came out. Look how well that turned out.

 

[Tyeforce]

Tyeforce, you're very clearly a super huge nintendo fan. Which is nice, I am too. However, and take this with a grain of salt - when somebody criticizes a decision Nintendo makes, it doesn't mean they're attacking them or trying to put them down.

I know that, and I know it seems like I always come in just to defend Nintendo as if they saved my life or something, but that's really not how it is. When I get into debates like this, it's almost always because someone is stating false information or misconceptions as facts. Or I jump in to show a different perspective on something that people don't consider themselves. I know I sound like I'm just a one-sided Nintendo fanboy, but it only sounds like that because I don't bother replying to the side of things that don't interest me. If you talk to me in person it's a different story, though.

It's a fact. The 3DS IS selling poorly when you look at it from Nintendo's point of view. It's worse than that actually, the 3DS is starting to look like more and more of a joke by the day (especially with the announcement of the new add-on nub).

No, it really isn't. The 3DS is selling about as well as any other new system would. Everyone was just expecting it to be an instant hit like the Wii was, which led to disappointment. The media isn't helping by spreading the gloom and doom talk, either. And I don't see how an optional add-on is in any way a bad thing. Other optional add-ons like the Rumble Pak, Classic Controller, etc. weren't met with such rejection when they were released. Why is this case any different?

Starfox should have had online mulitplayer, and there is absolutely no excuse from Nintendo as for why it didn't. Does every game with multiplayer need online? No, but nowadays, they all seem to. So we're used to it. And why shouldn't we be? Playing against people online is fun as hell. Who wouldn't rather play with their buddy who lives a few neighborhoods (or states or countries) away than with a computer? Like Psycho said, there are just so many other benefits to it as well.

Maybe there is no good excuse for it, and maybe I am stupid for defending it. But you know what? I'd rather have the game out sooner than have to wait longer for online play to be worked out. And if they had included online, the game may not look as graphically impressive as it does. They'd probably either have to make some graphical sacrifices throughout the whole game, like less polygons and lower resolution textures, or make separate, lower res stages and models specifically for online Battle Mode.

But the main reason why I don't care about online in this game is because this isn't a completely new game. It's an updated version of a Nintendo 64 game. It's not a game that I would expect to have online play. If it was an entirely new Star Fox game, however, my views would be different. The last new Star Fox game had online play, so the next one probably should, too. Even so, it's not really that big of a deal to me. I didn't care in the slightest when Spirit Tracks didn't have online play, even though Phantom Hourglass before it did (and I played online in that game quite a bit, actually).

Tye, I don't say all of this because I hate Nintendo or because I take some sort of sick comfort in "bashing" them and watching you defend their each and every little move. I say this stuff because I love Nintendo, I care about their future, and I want them to be better. If all of Nintendo's fans were constantly satisfied with every decision they ever made, what change would take place? What progress would be made? None, none at all.

I know. And I know that Nintendo isn't perfect. There are a lot of things that they do and decisions that they make that truly baffle me. But I don't talk about that, because I'd rather not speak negatively about something I like so much. That's not because I'm trying to make Nintendo out to be perfect, it's because I honestly don't see the point in talking negatively about stuff, especially something so close to me, unless it's something really big that calls for it. There's enough negativity on the Internet, I don't want to add more to it. That's why you only see me post good things about Nintendo, or pretty much anything else. I do nitpick about some things here and there, but not very often.

Starfox Command for the frickin' original DS had online. There's noooooo reason why this one shouldn't have.

As I said above, this isn't a completely new Star Fox game, it's just a remake. At that, I don't think it needs online when the original didn't have it. If it were a new Star Fox, however, I would agree with you.

 

[NeonAndross]

Ok man, lets all just agree that Star Fox is awesome and just get along yo. No need to have hurt feelings here.

 

[Grawr]

@Tye (I don't wanna do a huge quote here to save everyone the scrolling-trouble, haha)

The 3DS isn't selling poorly in general, but it's selling poorly from -Nintendo's point of view- , which was what I said there. Yes, it really is. That's why they lowered the price recently. It's selling poorly from their perspective, it's disappointing to them. And that is disappointing to me!

I'm actually glad to finally hear you say all of that stuff you said, though. My respect for you popped up a bit there. I can appreciate optimism, I see where you're coming from.

 

[NeonAndross]

I have to say though man, the 3DS sales are rapidly increasing since the drop, which is a great thing! I am a bit disappointed with Nintendo's decision to release a new DSi XL color. I mean, whats the point? It's the exact same price as the 3DS so why would you get the new DSi?

 

[Psychonaut]

i can't be ****ed to read and logically point out why you're wrong, tye. just go ahead and imagine that i post a bunch of words that pretty much say the exact opposite of yours and call it a day.

it's an excellent game, it should have had online (arguably replacing nintendo's hard-on for facetime), and that's really the only problem with it, if there is any problem.

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i think nintendo is staying in a bad place by not focusing more time into online play, since a fair chunk of successful games have some form of online multiplayer, be it leaderboards or full integration with the story mode. it isn't a matter of trying to compete with other companies, it's a matter of catering to a more broad audience, who enjoy playing with people far and wide, and who truly enjoy competition in gaming.

star fox 64 is/was amazing, and this game is a good, quality remake. the controls are fine, so long as you don't get cramps holding the 3ds, and the graphics are stunning. it isn't a reason to pick up a 3ds alone, but it's nice to pick up

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since the 3ds has no games.

 

[Tyeforce]

@Tye (I don't wanna do a huge quote here to save everyone the scrolling-trouble, haha)

The 3DS isn't selling poorly in general, but it's selling poorly from -Nintendo's point of view- , which was what I said there. Yes, it really is. That's why they lowered the price recently. It's selling poorly from their perspective, it's disappointing to them. And that is disappointing to me!

I'm actually glad to finally hear you say all of that stuff you said, though. My respect for you popped up a bit there. I can appreciate optimism, I see where you're coming from.

I know it's selling poorly from Nintendo's point of view, I agreed with you on that. But that's not what Psychonaut said, which was why I brought it up.

And I'm glad you understand where I'm coming from. I really wish a lot of people here could get to know me in person. How I post online is very different from how I talk in person. You really only get to see one side of me here (my extreme Nintendo nerd side, lol) here, because that's just what I post about on this forum. And even then, that's not an accurate representation of how that side of me comes out in person.

 

[rafren]

Just came home from the mall.

it's beautiful.

i love you psycho

 

[Brad]

I went to Fred-Meyers recently and the had huge posters for the game but, there wasn't even a spot where the game could have been if it sold out. So that means either they don't have it yet or they didn't stock it. Same thing happened with Infamous 2. Because of me they remembered they had it.

 

[Tyeforce]

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