this made me laugh though. but aren't 4ivs good in bw2?
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this made me laugh though. but aren't 4ivs good in bw2?
Dizzi Paradise
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Does this mean the 5IV shinies I'm attempting to breed will end up worthless? Tbh I'm doing it for me and my own enjoyment, not for trade. But I find this even sadder than the image above. It's a tragedy in its own way as it takes so much of the fun and enjoyment out of Pokemon. Why do the work when you can just get a clone? But without the work, what is that shiny worth to you. It's just a trophy, not something you really care about. There's no emotional investment in a clone, and it's emotional investment that makes a video game great. I'm not really expressing this very well, I know, but this is just so sad.
Instacheck and cloning brought upon us an early poke-inflation. I enjoyed the trading before the whole instacheck thing. People were trading 5 IVs Pokemon, that you could use to breed with. From those you could breed offsprings with 5 IVs (not necessarily perfect ones), and trade them from others 5 IVs offsprings. It was probably one of the most enjoyable periods I've had while playing Pokemon. Every Pokemon you had was 100 % legit, and people were genuinly impressed by a shiny. Now it's "Perfect 5 IVs shiny, or bust!".
Dizzi Paradise
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I never really had too much of a problem with the whole Instacheck thing. It wasn't something I wanted to do myself, I'd rather hatch or find my own shinies, but I had it kind of on a par with TT in ACNL - not for me, but not really "cheating". I'm looking forward to getting the Princess furniture in the Spring, for example. I could've TT-ed to get it, but I'd rather wait and let the game unfold by itself iykwim.
With cloning though, it devalues every shiny 4-5 IV Pokemon anyone bred themselves. People who put the time and the emotional investment into finding the right parents, the right held items, swapping parents out, wearing ruts in Route 7 or Lumiose cos they've ridden up and down and round and round so much. And when that perfect shiny Poke pops out of the egg, that's a wonderful feeling (see DemonOtaku's post yesterday in the Shiny Hunting thread for an example). Cloning takes all that away - both the work and the joy. And without the work, there can't really be the joy. In addition to the cloners themselves not getting the joy of breeding/finding a "real" perfect shiny (which I don't really care about, that bit affects only them), they are also devaluing all the Pokemon legit breeders like me are working towards. If 6IV Pokes become the norm, and the GTS is flooded with shinies with great stats, and everyone is demanding 6IV shinies for everything, and you can't tell what's legit and what isn't - what's the point in me carrying on trying to get my 5IV shiny Fennekin? Everyone will be able to have a 5 or 6IV shiny Fennekin, without any of the time and emotion investment. I might as well just stick with the 5IV normal one I've already bred, it'll be rarer.
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Instachecking is what made the whole inflation happen. With such easy access and aviability to perfect shiny Pokemon, they became currency for the Pokemon market. Oh, you want to trade a 5 IV Riolu for a 5 IV Larvitar? Too bad, I don't waste time on hatching non-shiny Pokemon. They devalued shiny Pokemon to such a point, that they are as common as they were in Black(2)/White(2). And, yes this would have happened with Pokebank anyway, but it could have at least have waited until then, couldn't it?
Dizzi Paradise
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I see what you mean, and I do agree. But Instacheck wasn't available to everyone, and you still had to match up egg and trainer numbers. There was no manipulation involved, but there was access to information we weren't supposed to have.
I never really got into the GTS. For earlier games I could never access it anyway (WiFi security) so I never thought of trying it in X/Y until recently. I was looking for a version-specific shiny, and thought I could trade for my version-specific shiny. But no, everyone wanted Articuno or Feebas or Milotic. It's crazy. So I think I'll ignore the GTS and stick with Wonder Trade. It's a box of chocolates (you never know what you're gonna get) but it really is fun. And I often get good Pokemon with great stats that I can use to breed my own legitimate shiny. I just hope the cloners don't flood WT and ruin that as well, but as they use Pokemon as currency I'm hoping that won't happen.
I never really got into the GTS. For earlier games I could never access it anyway (WiFi security) so I never thought of trying it in X/Y until recently. I was looking for a version-specific shiny, and thought I could trade for my version-specific shiny. But no, everyone wanted Articuno or Feebas or Milotic. It's crazy. So I think I'll ignore the GTS and stick with Wonder Trade. It's a box of chocolates (you never know what you're gonna get) but it really is fun. And I often get good Pokemon with great stats that I can use to breed my own legitimate shiny. I just hope the cloners don't flood WT and ruin that as well, but as they use Pokemon as currency I'm hoping that won't happen.
Instacheck was available to everyone. It has a thread here, a subreddit, and is the dominant part of the gamefaqs trading board. I could have just download it, and gotten started, any moment, before it shut down.
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Dizzi Paradise
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Sorry, I wasn't clear. I meant that not everyone could get it to work. It didn't work for me - I only tried it because breeding a shiny for the Christmas swap wasn't going well (3000-odd eggs hatched and no shiny) so I wasn't too bothered. But I know from reading on reddit and other places (including here) that plenty of people couldn't get it to work. And even if you could get it to work, you had to find someone to trade with who had an egg that matched your SV, so it was a bit limited in its usefulness in that sense.
ETA - Is there any way an update can put a stop to cloning, either by stopping the cloning itself or by preventing cloned Pokemon from being traded? Is there likely any way for the software to be able to tell if a Pokemon's been cloned? Or are we stuck with this situation now?
ETA - Is there any way an update can put a stop to cloning, either by stopping the cloning itself or by preventing cloned Pokemon from being traded? Is there likely any way for the software to be able to tell if a Pokemon's been cloned? Or are we stuck with this situation now?
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I think you messed up. You needed to find out your Shiny Value through a friend. As for the trading of Shiny Values, they were massive. The old database on Reddit was huge: http://www.reddit.com/r/pokemontrades/wiki/shinyids#btn
Click Ctrl+F, and type in u/. You'll get 3744 results. I don't think finding a Shiny Value to fit your mass prouduced eggs, would be that much of a problem.
As for cloning, I'm doubtful. Every generation has cloning, but it hasn't been patched ever. It's basicly the same as the cloning glitch in New Leaf, only harder to pull off. I dount that it'll be fixed, or even matter honestly, since Pokebank will let us send over any Pokemon we want.
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Oyasumi.
I still play mostly for fun. IVs/EVs mean nothing to me, as long as I have a good Pokemon on my side. :3
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Wasn't there a time when people just played for fun?
Mega blastoise, I don't see the point of it. Sure it can take a +3 Moonblast from my Sylveon but its attack and special attack seems to be abyssmal, at least when I face them. Hydro pump and blizzard barely scratch a thing.
Dizzi Paradise
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I play for fun. I don't battle competitively (at least not yet) and I don't trade (apart from WT and with people I know from here who I can help out). I'm not interested in Pokemon as currency. I am interested in breeding for IVs and shininess for myself, not for trading for other Pokemon. I haven't got into EV training yet, but it's on my list. I want, eventually, a team of 4-5 perfect IV Pokemon I've bred, EV trained and raised to take on the in-game battling system (Battle Maison etc) and see how far I can go. I want to make the most of the game itself, and have fun while I'm doing it.
I could maybe trade with cloners, or become a cloner myself in order to do this more quickly - but that would strip all the joy out of it for me. And what do I do once I've got all the Pokemon I like in their shiny forms and with all those perfect IVs? That would be game over. The fun and enjoyment in this game is not from getting everything you want instantly. The fun and enjoyment in this game is the time you spend on getting what you want, whether that be a super strong online competitive team or a collection of shinies or a team that can get loads of BP in the Battle Maison or whatever you personally want to get out of it.
I could maybe trade with cloners, or become a cloner myself in order to do this more quickly - but that would strip all the joy out of it for me. And what do I do once I've got all the Pokemon I like in their shiny forms and with all those perfect IVs? That would be game over. The fun and enjoyment in this game is not from getting everything you want instantly. The fun and enjoyment in this game is the time you spend on getting what you want, whether that be a super strong online competitive team or a collection of shinies or a team that can get loads of BP in the Battle Maison or whatever you personally want to get out of it.
Mega Venusaur and Mega Charizard Y seem to be best of the Kanto Megas competitively. Mega Venusaur can take any hit and restore HP (staller) and Mega Charizard Y can take out lots of Pokemon in Doubles with Solarbeam and Heat Wave. I haven't seen any Mega Blastoise in singles or doubles at all, as well as Mega Charizard X.
And breeding is the best thing in the game. Nothing is more fun than breeding for 5-6IV pokemon. I wonder trade the 1-5 IV pokemon I don't need and then release the Pokemon I get from the WT, if they are "bad" and they are mostly bad. I get too attach to the ones I hatch so that's why i don't release my rejects.
And breeding is the best thing in the game. Nothing is more fun than breeding for 5-6IV pokemon. I wonder trade the 1-5 IV pokemon I don't need and then release the Pokemon I get from the WT, if they are "bad" and they are mostly bad. I get too attach to the ones I hatch so that's why i don't release my rejects.
They don't really ban pokemon, only to those Smogon fans/users. You can still use Mega Blaziken, Kangaskhan, and Gengar in Wi-Fi battles. I used to be a fan of Smogon until they banned Mega Kangaskhan yesterday.
Yeah, but Smogon is generally seen as standard. I were gonna play a last game with my Mega Khan, and as soon as it was sent out, they left. This was in free battles. People follow Smogon, and they will not alter to people who does not.
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