League of Legends

[Isabella]

So I'm saying IF your ADC refuses to cooperate, if it's hopeless, etc. then just leave. Obviously if your ADC is cooperative and your immediate presence there is beneficial then roaming would be ill advised. This is because roaming creates the potential for plays, the map pressure, as opposed to a guarantee for a play. But if enemy bot lane is exerting pressure in such a way that a 1v2 vs. a 2v2 difference is large, then why not stay where you are guaranteed to be useful.

So this sets up my previous statement which is that when the bot lane is missing and you are playing an aggressive support champion such as Leona, Alistar, or Blitzcrank, you should be roaming to mid or enemy jungle (with your jungler for example) to make plays there rather than sitting in a bush in your lane waiting for nothing to happen. Similarly if your presence with an uncooperative ADC who is upset by your mere presence and refuses to perform, then you might as well leave. It's going to be a 1v2 either way.

in the case of a support just sitting in a bush doing almost nothing, then yeah I kinda see what you mean. that'd just also mean they're a bad support too.

That slump has happened to me before too, best advice is to just take a 1-2 day break. It usually happens if you play too much of something haha

 

[Alienfish]

well your support job is kinda sit in a bush and get that gold item.

 

[Wish]

So I'm saying IF your ADC refuses to cooperate, if it's hopeless, etc. then just leave. Obviously if your ADC is cooperative and your immediate presence there is beneficial then roaming would be ill advised. This is because roaming creates the potential for plays, the map pressure, as opposed to a guarantee for a play. But if enemy bot lane is exerting pressure in such a way that a 1v2 vs. a 2v2 difference is large, then why not stay where you are guaranteed to be useful.

So this sets up my previous statement which is that when the bot lane is missing and you are playing an aggressive support champion such as Leona, Alistar, or Blitzcrank, you should be roaming to mid or enemy jungle (with your jungler for example) to make plays there rather than sitting in a bush in your lane waiting for nothing to happen. Similarly if your presence with an uncooperative ADC who is upset by your mere presence and refuses to perform, then you might as well leave. It's going to be a 1v2 either way.

actually that is the logic that low elo people have
when you play with an aggressive support that has absolutely no utility besides then you HAVE to stay with your adc
you can never blame the adc, if you do not support the adc you have no carry
its your job as support to get them fed and trust me i have played alot of games im in decent elo rn

 

[Alienfish]

^^^ this

played jinx as adc once the morgana was p much asleep lol

 

[Riiiiptide]

Absolutely not. People that "absolutely stick to" their lanes is the low elo logic, not the other way around. In particular, if you look at Samsung Blue (who won the spring finals) play, they were one of the first to begin the support roaming which you saw spread to other regions (in the NA LCS, that is manifesting as 4 man, jungle support, and top lane ganks on mid). In their case, this was because Deft the ADC was competent in holding his lane 1v2 or 1v1 in lane swaps so that Heart can go and make a play while Deft is not under threat and return before the enemy team even realizes. You can easily adopt this in solo queue. The idea behind this is that at every moment in the game, you should be doing SOMETHING. You should never be sitting still, afk or something. There is always something that you can and should be doing.

 

[Alienfish]

I know right. I just hate those afk laners.

 

[Ashtot]

Absolutely not. People that "absolutely stick to" their lanes is the low elo logic, not the other way around. In particular, if you look at Samsung Blue (who won the spring finals) play, they were one of the first to begin the support roaming which you saw spread to other regions (in the NA LCS, that is manifesting as 4 man, jungle support, and top lane ganks on mid). In their case, this was because Deft the ADC was competent in holding his lane 1v2 or 1v1 in lane swaps so that Heart can go and make a play while Deft is not under threat and return before the enemy team even realizes. You can easily adopt this in solo queue. The idea behind this is that at every moment in the game, you should be doing SOMETHING. You should never be sitting still, afk or something. There is always something that you can and should be doing.

Exactly.

 

[Wish]

Absolutely not. People that "absolutely stick to" their lanes is the low elo logic, not the other way around. In particular, if you look at Samsung Blue (who won the spring finals) play, they were one of the first to begin the support roaming which you saw spread to other regions (in the NA LCS, that is manifesting as 4 man, jungle support, and top lane ganks on mid). In their case, this was because Deft the ADC was competent in holding his lane 1v2 or 1v1 in lane swaps so that Heart can go and make a play while Deft is not under threat and return before the enemy team even realizes. You can easily adopt this in solo queue. The idea behind this is that at every moment in the game, you should be doing SOMETHING. You should never be sitting still, afk or something. There is always something that you can and should be doing.

what rank are you
lcs is not the same as normal solo queue, people on lcs are actually good and they have teamwork

we are nothing close to them

 

[Riiiiptide]

Sure, and I touched on the distinction at the end of my post when I said "we can try to adapt this to solo queue"

in fact, the other day when I was playing a game at Diamond to prevent elo decay, this very thing happened. I was aggressively invading their jungler as Evelynn against an Amumu and their support aggressively warded my chokepoints and countered my attempts. I did not expect this and was forced to flash over the dragon wall to escape resulting in a lot of lost time and loss of summoner spell of course.

There's really no set rule on how to play. You need to actively adapt to the situation since the gameplay is very dynamic. I'm just suggesting that people should actively try to influence the map and never take a break so to speak. Hope it helps!

 

[Alienfish]

Finally got two good game as a supp even though the other lost because they had all adc almost lol

 

[Swiftstream]

Is league fun?

 

[Alienfish]

yea i'd say... unless you get the toxic dudes in ranked

 

[Solar]

Is league fun?

Yes! I don't play ranked so I don't know what that experience is like (I've heard it's kinda toxic) but normal queue is really fun. Especially Team Builder.

 

[Isabella]

Uhh did ranks get reset since this update? or is it just me?

 

[Solar]

Uhh did ranks get reset since this update? or is it just me?

Somethings wrong with the system. I think 5v5 and 3v3 ranked queues have been disabled and no one can see their ranked page on their profile.

 

[rockthemike13]

Watch out League, Vel and I got our internet back. All who dare oppose us? You're DOOMED.

 

[Riiiiptide]

Is league fun?

If you're just starting out, find some other players to play with. Low levels is extremely bad and riddled with either smurfs or poor match making system (level 20s getting matched against premade Diamond/Plats with a level 10).

 

[Riiiiptide]

By the way, did anyone see the Samsung Blue vs. IM game? Heart demonstrated exactly what I was saying with his aggressive map control. That was truly a slaughter.

 

[CookingOkasan]

do you guys think ad nami actually works?

nami top lane is actually a decent niche pick. I've had plenty of amazing games with it. My favorite one was like 7/0 during laning phase against a darius. you just have to land your bubbles, max your damage steroid first, and chain your ult with your bubble when applicable... if you're a good support nami, try taking her top. Idk what to tell you to build... I just usually build a BT, IE, and whatever tbh just build full on damage because she's so squishy that you really are forced to rely on her self-peel ability.

 

[Isabella]

nami top lane is actually a decent niche pick. I've had plenty of amazing games with it. My favorite one was like 7/0 during laning phase against a darius. you just have to land your bubbles, max your damage steroid first, and chain your ult with your bubble when applicable... if you're a good support nami, try taking her top. Idk what to tell you to build... I just usually build a BT, IE, and whatever tbh just build full on damage because she's so squishy that you really are forced to rely on her self-peel ability.

It seems interesting, I've never seen it before though. Might try it in bots or something. The one time I tried nami other than support in mid, people thought I was trolling >_<