I just saw this video about eating meat

[coffeebean!]

Coffeh, that's why I think they should kill animals quick and painless instead of making them sufur.

Killing animals for food is a waste. It's not necessary. We can live off of vegetables and still live a healthy life. They don't deserve to have to go through that...for no reason.

It isn't for no reason it's for food, it's why animals have always killed each other since the beginning of time. Do you expect Lions and other predatory animals to just give up on ripping their prey to shreds?

Mega.

Read this. Someone posted it on another forum.

Hmm, ok well then, after reading these posts all I have to say is that alot of people are quite ignorant and close minded on this topic. Firstly Jordan, I don't see why this vegan/vegetarian thing is bothering you....it doesn't concern you in any way and it's not affecting your life. People have their own opinions on certain things and it's not fair to be judgemental on them.

NOW, I am a vegetarian. I used to eat meat until a few years ago. This is partly due to my religion and also mainly due to my morals and ethics. Now you're saying, "Why do we eat plants? It's the same thing"....Actually, it's really not. When a plant is killed....does it shed blood? Is it brutally killed, its body parts chopped off, screams of pain yelping through it's throat when it dies? I agree, before as hunters and gathers we needed a sufficient supply of meat in order to survive. Though we are a MODERN race now- how can you possibly compare human kind with one more than 12,000 yrs ago to today? That's like trying to justify "incestous relationships" because humans used to do it "back then". Yes, they did do it back then, but there was a reason behind it in order to survive, but now we know that is morally and ethically wrong in that sense....we do not need to do it in order to survive. Therefore that point can run in parallel to what I'm saying here. We are needlessly killing animals when there is no need to when we could just as well live proper (and even better) lifestyles than eating meat. Yes, we are killing organisms, but come on now, we can't eat air, we have to live off something, that's where SURVIVAL comes into play once again.

You have to understand, that killing an animal and seeing its decaying body,bloody eyes, compared to killing a plant...come on now, what is the point in even bringing up that argument? Have you ever gone in a meat processing plant? Have you seen how they treat those animals? How they kill them? It's butchery, it's horrid. Now, do you see how plants are harvested? We don't need to eat animals to survive. Why live such a violent lifestyle when we can survive with something much less violent by eating plants, I mean we're still killing, but at least it is definetly not the same as killing an animal. Period- so why are we needlessly killing? Please, don't bring up such a juvenile debate on something that is so much more complicated and beautiful. You're making it sound like we're some friggin hypocritical group of people, when in reality, it is a lack of ignorance in terms of others. Opinion is opinion.

http://mix.epicfu.com/forum/topics/699622:Topic:85367?id=699622%3ATopic%3A85367&page=2#comments

Back then it was necessary to survive. Not anymore.

@blue: YOU ARE SO IGNORANT. GOD.

 

[Megamannt125]

Lol, most vegetables are fake, they pick them before they are ripe and then inject them with chemicals to make them unnaturally grow and look like a real vegetable.
But sure we may not need meat to survive, but do we need cake, ice cream, candy and things to survive? No, we eat them because they taste good.

 

[Furry Sparks]

Lol, most vegetables are fake, they pick them before they are ripe and then inject them with chemicals to make them unnaturally grow and look like a real vegetable.
But sure we may not need meat to survive, but do we need cake, ice cream, candy and things to survive? No, we eat them because they taste good.

So, we should just go on killing animals for our pleasure?

 

[coffeebean!]

Lol, most vegetables are fake, they pick them before they are ripe and then inject them with chemicals to make them unnaturally grow and look like a real vegetable.
But sure we may not need meat to survive, but do we need cake, ice cream, candy and things to survive? No, we eat them because they taste good.

Organic vegetables? Ever heard of them?

I doubt cake and candy shed blood and feel pain. They don't get killed, they get made.

 

[Megamannt125]

Lol, most vegetables are fake, they pick them before they are ripe and then inject them with chemicals to make them unnaturally grow and look like a real vegetable.
But sure we may not need meat to survive, but do we need cake, ice cream, candy and things to survive? No, we eat them because they taste good.

Organic vegetables? Ever heard of them?

I doubt cake and candy shed blood and feel pain. They don't get killed, they get made.

Even so, I hate most vegetables, if I went vegetarian I couldn't survive because most vegetables taste like crap and i'm not eating it.

 

[coffeebean!]

Lol, most vegetables are fake, they pick them before they are ripe and then inject them with chemicals to make them unnaturally grow and look like a real vegetable.
But sure we may not need meat to survive, but do we need cake, ice cream, candy and things to survive? No, we eat them because they taste good.

Organic vegetables? Ever heard of them?

I doubt cake and candy shed blood and feel pain. They don't get killed, they get made.

Even so, I hate most vegetables, if I went vegetarian I couldn't survive because most vegetables taste like crap and i'm not eating it.

No one told you to go vegetarian Dustin.
But see? We're right. There's no debating that.

We don't need to slaughter innocent animals to survive. People are doing it for their own pleasure. Because they taste good. Let's kill you because 'you taste good'.

 

[Thunder]

OMNOMNOMNOM

 

[Furry Sparks]

OMNOMNOMNOM

*censored.9.10*

 

[Megamannt125]

Lol, most vegetables are fake, they pick them before they are ripe and then inject them with chemicals to make them unnaturally grow and look like a real vegetable.
But sure we may not need meat to survive, but do we need cake, ice cream, candy and things to survive? No, we eat them because they taste good.

Organic vegetables? Ever heard of them?

I doubt cake and candy shed blood and feel pain. They don't get killed, they get made.

Even so, I hate most vegetables, if I went vegetarian I couldn't survive because most vegetables taste like crap and i'm not eating it.

No one told you to go vegetarian Dustin.
But see? We're right. There's no debating that.

We don't need to slaughter innocent animals to survive. People are doing it for their own pleasure. Because they taste good. Let's kill you because 'you taste good'.

As long as i'm feeding someone hungry.

 

[coffeebean!]

Lol, most vegetables are fake, they pick them before they are ripe and then inject them with chemicals to make them unnaturally grow and look like a real vegetable.
But sure we may not need meat to survive, but do we need cake, ice cream, candy and things to survive? No, we eat them because they taste good.

Organic vegetables? Ever heard of them?

I doubt cake and candy shed blood and feel pain. They don't get killed, they get made.

Even so, I hate most vegetables, if I went vegetarian I couldn't survive because most vegetables taste like crap and i'm not eating it.

No one told you to go vegetarian Dustin.
But see? We're right. There's no debating that.

We don't need to slaughter innocent animals to survive. People are doing it for their own pleasure. Because they taste good. Let's kill you because 'you taste good'.

As long as i'm feeding someone hungry.

Someone hungry can grow their own food? Meat isn't the only way to survive.

 

[Furry Sparks]

Lol, most vegetables are fake, they pick them before they are ripe and then inject them with chemicals to make them unnaturally grow and look like a real vegetable.
But sure we may not need meat to survive, but do we need cake, ice cream, candy and things to survive? No, we eat them because they taste good.

Organic vegetables? Ever heard of them?

I doubt cake and candy shed blood and feel pain. They don't get killed, they get made.

Even so, I hate most vegetables, if I went vegetarian I couldn't survive because most vegetables taste like crap and i'm not eating it.

No one told you to go vegetarian Dustin.
But see? We're right. There's no debating that.

We don't need to slaughter innocent animals to survive. People are doing it for their own pleasure. Because they taste good. Let's kill you because 'you taste good'.

As long as i'm feeding someone hungry.

Oh bull*censored.2.0*. You say that now, but if it really came down to it you wouldn't actually give up your life.

 

[Mino]

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When I see an animal that has cognitive functions that rival our own, then I will think it's wrong to eat them, provided that they are ethically raised and slaughtered.

Good for you?

I was just remarking on how inappropriate your analogy was.

When animals are killed they feel pain and they feel frightened. Sure..they're not as intelligent as humans, but when it comes to being slaughtered...they feel the same as we do.

I doubt animals like being murdered, hmm? When they shed blood and yelp in pain?

In case you missed this, I'm a nearly full-time vegetarian, too.

But if I were to find meat that has been responsibly raised, slaughtered, and processed, I wouldn't feel any guilt in eating it.

I would never eat any meat that's been through a slaughterhouse, though. Ever.

 

[coffeebean!]

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Good for you?

I was just remarking on how inappropriate your analogy was.

When animals are killed they feel pain and they feel frightened. Sure..they're not as intelligent as humans, but when it comes to being slaughtered...they feel the same as we do.

I doubt animals like being murdered, hmm? When they shed blood and yelp in pain?

In case you missed this, I'm a nearly full-time vegetarian, too.

But if I were to find meat that has been responsibly raised, slaughtered, and processed, I wouldn't feel any guilt in eating it.

I would never eat any meat that's been through a slaughterhouse, though. Ever.

We can survive without meat. Killing innocent animals isn't necessary whether they were responsibly raised, slaughtered, and processed or not.

 

[Mino]

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I was just remarking on how inappropriate your analogy was.

When animals are killed they feel pain and they feel frightened. Sure..they're not as intelligent as humans, but when it comes to being slaughtered...they feel the same as we do.

I doubt animals like being murdered, hmm? When they shed blood and yelp in pain?

In case you missed this, I'm a nearly full-time vegetarian, too.

But if I were to find meat that has been responsibly raised, slaughtered, and processed, I wouldn't feel any guilt in eating it.

I would never eat any meat that's been through a slaughterhouse, though. Ever.

We can survive without meat. Killing innocent animals isn't necessary whether they were responsibly raised, slaughtered, and processed or not.

You have to understand this: human beings are omnivores. You will never convert everyone into a vegetarian as long as we live on Earth.

Consider this: you, living in an affluent developed nation, have the ability to choose your diet and make choices that are, in your view, ethical about what you eat. I applaud you very much for your healthy and responsible choice to go vegetarian. However, less fortunate people in the world's poorer nations don't have this luxury. To them, meat is a relatively cheap high-protein food and can feed many people. This meat is not raised on an industrial-style farm and processed while still half alive by migrant workers being payed terrible wages to work long hours at an incredibly dangerous job.

The difference between the kind of meat I will eat (ethically sound, "happy meat") and the kind you'll find in the average McDonald's Quarter Pounder (or indeed, grocery store meats section) is huge. By eating this meat, I am not contributing to the environmental and economic problems created by the meat-packing industries. I am also making a healthy choice for myself; most meat is a great source of protein and healthy fat (I'm far too skinny, you see....)

The reason I do not think it is wrong to kill animals for food is the simple fact that they are not humans. Cattle were domesticated in Neolithic times, and for thousands of years have been raised for human consumption. What happens to these animals that have been bred for food when they are no longer needed? It's a question I've never thought about, to be honest. But, it is true that they do probably experience some pain (nothing compared to the sheer terror they would encounter in the jungle of blades and machinery that is the typical slaughterhouse,) but this is a fact of life. People don't get angry when a pack of wolves kills a deer for food, do they? Death is just a fact, something all cows and people must face. It is the least we can do, if we do choose to eat meat, that we make sure they live a self-actualizing life, and end it with as little pain as possible.

I didn't mean to write an essay on you like that, sorry.

 

[coffeebean!]

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When animals are killed they feel pain and they feel frightened. Sure..they're not as intelligent as humans, but when it comes to being slaughtered...they feel the same as we do.

I doubt animals like being murdered, hmm? When they shed blood and yelp in pain?

In case you missed this, I'm a nearly full-time vegetarian, too.

But if I were to find meat that has been responsibly raised, slaughtered, and processed, I wouldn't feel any guilt in eating it.

I would never eat any meat that's been through a slaughterhouse, though. Ever.

We can survive without meat. Killing innocent animals isn't necessary whether they were responsibly raised, slaughtered, and processed or not.

You have to understand this: human beings are omnivores. You will never convert everyone into a vegetarian as long as we live on Earth.

Consider this: you, living in an affluent developed nation, have the ability to choose your diet and make choices that are, in your view, ethical about what you eat. I applaud you very much for your healthy and responsible choice to go vegetarian. However, less fortunate people in the world's poorer nations don't have this luxury. To them, meat is a relatively cheap high-protein food and can feed many people. This meat is not raised on an industrial-style farm and processed while still half alive by migrant workers being payed terrible wages to work long hours at an incredibly dangerous job.

The difference between the kind of meat I will eat (ethically sound, "happy meat") and the kind you'll find in the average McDonald's Quarter Pounder (or indeed, grocery store meats section) is huge. By eating this meat, I am not contributing to the environmental and economic problems created by the meat-packing industries. I am also making a healthy choice for myself; most meat is a great source of protein and healthy fat (I'm far too skinny, you see....)

The reason I do not think it is wrong to kill animals for food is the simple fact that they are not humans. Cattle were domesticated in Neolithic times, and for thousands of years have been raised for human consumption. What happens to these animals that have been bred for food when they are no longer needed? It's a question I've never thought about, to be honest. But, it is true that they do probably experience some pain (nothing compared to the sheer terror they would encounter in the jungle of blades and machinery that is the typical slaughterhouse,) but this is a fact of life. People don't get angry when a pack of wolves kills a deer for food, do they? Death is just a fact, something all cows and people must face. It is the least we can do, if we do choose to eat meat, that we make sure they live a self-actualizing life, and end it with as little pain as possible.

I didn't mean to write an essay on you like that, sorry.

It was a good essay, no worries.

All I'm saying is that if humans can live without meat, then it's not necessary to be killing millions of animals a day. People can live healthy lives without meat. Meat is more of a luxury food I would say (You can easily grow your own food, rather than kill it). You don't need it to survive, however if you're saying that meat is the only thing some nations provide for food, then of course...eat it. You have to survive somehow.

 

[Princess]

*searches for kfc video*

 

[Princess]

Don't watch it if you're an extreme animal lover.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQfwj2M9_xE

 

[Mino]

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In case you missed this, I'm a nearly full-time vegetarian, too.

But if I were to find meat that has been responsibly raised, slaughtered, and processed, I wouldn't feel any guilt in eating it.

I would never eat any meat that's been through a slaughterhouse, though. Ever.

We can survive without meat. Killing innocent animals isn't necessary whether they were responsibly raised, slaughtered, and processed or not.

You have to understand this: human beings are omnivores. You will never convert everyone into a vegetarian as long as we live on Earth.

Consider this: you, living in an affluent developed nation, have the ability to choose your diet and make choices that are, in your view, ethical about what you eat. I applaud you very much for your healthy and responsible choice to go vegetarian. However, less fortunate people in the world's poorer nations don't have this luxury. To them, meat is a relatively cheap high-protein food and can feed many people. This meat is not raised on an industrial-style farm and processed while still half alive by migrant workers being payed terrible wages to work long hours at an incredibly dangerous job.

The difference between the kind of meat I will eat (ethically sound, "happy meat") and the kind you'll find in the average McDonald's Quarter Pounder (or indeed, grocery store meats section) is huge. By eating this meat, I am not contributing to the environmental and economic problems created by the meat-packing industries. I am also making a healthy choice for myself; most meat is a great source of protein and healthy fat (I'm far too skinny, you see....)

The reason I do not think it is wrong to kill animals for food is the simple fact that they are not humans. Cattle were domesticated in Neolithic times, and for thousands of years have been raised for human consumption. What happens to these animals that have been bred for food when they are no longer needed? It's a question I've never thought about, to be honest. But, it is true that they do probably experience some pain (nothing compared to the sheer terror they would encounter in the jungle of blades and machinery that is the typical slaughterhouse,) but this is a fact of life. People don't get angry when a pack of wolves kills a deer for food, do they? Death is just a fact, something all cows and people must face. It is the least we can do, if we do choose to eat meat, that we make sure they live a self-actualizing life, and end it with as little pain as possible.

I didn't mean to write an essay on you like that, sorry.

It was a good essay, no worries.

All I'm saying is that if humans can live without meat, then it's not necessary to be killing millions of animals a day. People can live healthy lives without meat. Meat is more of a luxury food I would say (You can easily grow your own food, rather than kill it). You don't need it to survive, however if you're saying that meat is the only thing some nations provide for food, then of course...eat it. You have to survive somehow.

I will agree with you that America and most other developed nations meat an unhealthy (and unsustainable) amount of meat. Cutting back on meat consumption is just a first step toward alleviating the problems meat causes in today's society, though....

 

[coffeebean!]

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We can survive without meat. Killing innocent animals isn't necessary whether they were responsibly raised, slaughtered, and processed or not.

You have to understand this: human beings are omnivores. You will never convert everyone into a vegetarian as long as we live on Earth.

Consider this: you, living in an affluent developed nation, have the ability to choose your diet and make choices that are, in your view, ethical about what you eat. I applaud you very much for your healthy and responsible choice to go vegetarian. However, less fortunate people in the world's poorer nations don't have this luxury. To them, meat is a relatively cheap high-protein food and can feed many people. This meat is not raised on an industrial-style farm and processed while still half alive by migrant workers being payed terrible wages to work long hours at an incredibly dangerous job.

The difference between the kind of meat I will eat (ethically sound, "happy meat") and the kind you'll find in the average McDonald's Quarter Pounder (or indeed, grocery store meats section) is huge. By eating this meat, I am not contributing to the environmental and economic problems created by the meat-packing industries. I am also making a healthy choice for myself; most meat is a great source of protein and healthy fat (I'm far too skinny, you see....)

The reason I do not think it is wrong to kill animals for food is the simple fact that they are not humans. Cattle were domesticated in Neolithic times, and for thousands of years have been raised for human consumption. What happens to these animals that have been bred for food when they are no longer needed? It's a question I've never thought about, to be honest. But, it is true that they do probably experience some pain (nothing compared to the sheer terror they would encounter in the jungle of blades and machinery that is the typical slaughterhouse,) but this is a fact of life. People don't get angry when a pack of wolves kills a deer for food, do they? Death is just a fact, something all cows and people must face. It is the least we can do, if we do choose to eat meat, that we make sure they live a self-actualizing life, and end it with as little pain as possible.

I didn't mean to write an essay on you like that, sorry.

It was a good essay, no worries.

All I'm saying is that if humans can live without meat, then it's not necessary to be killing millions of animals a day. People can live healthy lives without meat. Meat is more of a luxury food I would say (You can easily grow your own food, rather than kill it). You don't need it to survive, however if you're saying that meat is the only thing some nations provide for food, then of course...eat it. You have to survive somehow.

I will agree with you that America and most other developed nations meat an unhealthy (and unsustainable) amount of meat. Cutting back on meat consumption is just a first step toward alleviating the problems meat causes in today's society, though....

I think in this sentence: "America and most other developed nations meat an unhealthy (and unsustainable) amount of meat." You meant to use the word 'meet' rather than 'meat' being that 'meet' means to come upon and 'meat' is animal flesh. It would only make sense in that context.

Also, may I add that 'meet' and 'meat' are homophones.


Pahaha. >:3

 

[Mino]

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You have to understand this: human beings are omnivores. You will never convert everyone into a vegetarian as long as we live on Earth.

Consider this: you, living in an affluent developed nation, have the ability to choose your diet and make choices that are, in your view, ethical about what you eat. I applaud you very much for your healthy and responsible choice to go vegetarian. However, less fortunate people in the world's poorer nations don't have this luxury. To them, meat is a relatively cheap high-protein food and can feed many people. This meat is not raised on an industrial-style farm and processed while still half alive by migrant workers being payed terrible wages to work long hours at an incredibly dangerous job.

The difference between the kind of meat I will eat (ethically sound, "happy meat") and the kind you'll find in the average McDonald's Quarter Pounder (or indeed, grocery store meats section) is huge. By eating this meat, I am not contributing to the environmental and economic problems created by the meat-packing industries. I am also making a healthy choice for myself; most meat is a great source of protein and healthy fat (I'm far too skinny, you see....)

The reason I do not think it is wrong to kill animals for food is the simple fact that they are not humans. Cattle were domesticated in Neolithic times, and for thousands of years have been raised for human consumption. What happens to these animals that have been bred for food when they are no longer needed? It's a question I've never thought about, to be honest. But, it is true that they do probably experience some pain (nothing compared to the sheer terror they would encounter in the jungle of blades and machinery that is the typical slaughterhouse,) but this is a fact of life. People don't get angry when a pack of wolves kills a deer for food, do they? Death is just a fact, something all cows and people must face. It is the least we can do, if we do choose to eat meat, that we make sure they live a self-actualizing life, and end it with as little pain as possible.

I didn't mean to write an essay on you like that, sorry.

It was a good essay, no worries.

All I'm saying is that if humans can live without meat, then it's not necessary to be killing millions of animals a day. People can live healthy lives without meat. Meat is more of a luxury food I would say (You can easily grow your own food, rather than kill it). You don't need it to survive, however if you're saying that meat is the only thing some nations provide for food, then of course...eat it. You have to survive somehow.

I will agree with you that America and most other developed nations meat an unhealthy (and unsustainable) amount of meat. Cutting back on meat consumption is just a first step toward alleviating the problems meat causes in today's society, though....

I think in this sentence: "America and most other developed nations meat an unhealthy (and unsustainable) amount of meat." You meant to use the word 'meet' rather than 'meat' being that 'meet' means to come upon and 'meat' is animal flesh. It would only make sense in that context.

Also, may I add that 'meet' and 'meat' are homophones.


Pahaha. >:3

Actually, I meant to use the word "eat," so it was a typo, likely induced by the fact that I've been using that word so much.