I dont understand why people say nintendo sucks (link).

Jas0n said:
I never said that they were auto-good, nor that games other than them are auto-bad. I simply said that generally there are more mature games that are "good" compared to the lacklustre market for others.

I could sit here all night and list of tons of games that fall in the mature market that are amazing, I couldn't do that with games rated below mature. Sure, there are plenty of classics like Tetris or Pacman and other very simple games, but that's the point, they're simple. They lack the depth and interest of games with fulfilling story which for the most part are mature games.

Ignoring games of the past like Tetris and Pacman, there's not really much in the way of good games that aren't M-rated. There's all the Nintendo titles which are great games for the gameplay alone but besides that there's not much in the way of story or anything. You can say this about any game that's not M-rated, I can't even think of one off the top of my head that has an engaging, in-depth story.

Also note that this is only my opinion, for me to class something as an outstanding game it has to have a good story, otherwise it will always fall short no matter how good the other aspects of the game are. There are plenty of gamers that feel this same way, hence the Wii hate, but there are also plenty of gamers that feel differently which is why the wii has done as well as it has.
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psychonauts.
phoenix wright
braid
tony hawk's underground
jak & daxter

i understand what you're saying, M rated games have a larger cushion of what they can and can't include as content. this allows them to go farther with their stories, which makes them more well developed, realistic, etc.

but that doesn't mean that non-M rated games don't have wonderful stories, as well.

and if you want depth.. Pokemon.

edit: oh, and my main gripe/only reason i brought it up, is because of having better games in the mature section. THAT'S ALL I'M TRYING TO SAY
 
Psychonaut said:
that's what i was noting. :T

the only games i play that have an M rating are TF2, GTA:SA, and Bioshack.. Borderlands now, i guess.

i think that because of the "games have to be higher as an art form/etc to be good" thinking strays a lot from what games are for some people.. i would take simplicity like tetris just about as much as i'd take any other decent game..

rating doesn't have much to do with the quality of a game.. other than it's content. whether or not the story is well developed enough to be mature is another thing.. i dunno.

/against M rated games being auto-good.
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TF2? its just a hat simulator
 
i'm really an "all round gamer" i enjoy nintendo games, internet games, xbox games like pokemon, runescape, CoD7 and Fifa11.....is any one else like that??
 
Typhlosion said:
i'm really an "all round gamer" i enjoy nintendo games, internet games, xbox games like pokemon, runescape, CoD7 and Fifa11.....is any one else like that??
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I'm pretty sure there are a lotta folks like that, i consider myself an all-around gamer.
 
Jas0n said:
Xbox games like Pokemon? Since when was Pokemon on Xbox?
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im sorry but do you know what a typo is? i was meant to put a comma .. well i mean i play pokemon on the ds. cod and fifa on the xbox. and runescape on the computer...........dope.. im pretty sure everyone else knew what i meant.
 
Typhlosion said:
im sorry but do you know what a typo is? i was meant to put a comma .. well i mean i play pokemon on the ds. cod and fifa on the xbox. and runescape on the computer...........dope.. im pretty sure everyone else knew what i meant.
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That's far from a typo, it's an all-round horribly constructed sentence.
 
Nintendo makes good quality games, but their market focus has changed away from what the typical gamer once was.

People cling to words like "gamer" and "hardcore", are sadly the captain of a sinking ship. They are fighting against a wave of new gamers who just don't see eye to eye with them. Why not be able to pick up and play a game for only 10 minutes at a time? Why not have games that range from the fps to the puppy simulator? Some people just refuse to accept that the demographic is changing, and choose to hate Nintendo for being the first big company to really smash the wall that separated what gamers were to what they are nowadays. It is a culture clash.

That being said I think it is a ridiculous culture clash.

Words like "casual", and "artsy" seem to be kryptonite to those who still claim to be 31337, and it is really bull.

Personally I have always thought of games as an art form, at the very least at the same level as movies. They can make you laugh or cry. The best games out their touch me in a deeper part of my soul. Playing Portal 2 I actually started feeling sympathy for GLaDOS, the crazed robot who seemed bent on killing you, you learned about what makes her tick. In Bioshock I was amazed they made every action I had done that I did out of gaming instinct seem like it was really a built in psychological control. Heck in a game like Kingdom hearts at the very end I really felt connected to some of the characters, and that feeling of losing friends, you know you will try and reconnect.

Artsy isn't a bad thing to me it means feeling, and learning something about yourself through it. Of course many of the "hardcore" players are soulless being who ripped their emotions out long ago and smashed them with a hammer. And people wonder why they worry about violent games, it is these people who built a culture on feeling no sympathy, who deny empathy and believe it makes them somehow better.

In portal 2 there is a point with conveyor belts leading to an incinerator with all the broken sentries on it. One came out whole, and said it was different, I saved the little guy... why? I just felt for him. Turns out there was an achievement for it, but really it makes you question all you destroy in that game. Many people don't like thinking about that kind of stuff in a game, but I do. I love thinking philosophically, and really it helps you grow as a person.

Now casual even I have a hard time nailing down... I assume casual goes out to the games viewed as easy, or leisurely. But those are nice sometimes. I don't always need a game packed with intense action, sometimes I just want to fish, or build a house. It is calming.

Point being there is a group of people who just refuse to accept that video games like all things are evolving. Honestly it isn't about whether a game is mature or not, plenty of games rated "mature" are the most immature games I have ever seen. TF2 I love because it understands this. It has the blood and guns yes, but it understands how senseless it all is, that is why they make it so cartoon-like. A game that tries to be serious, but ends up just being shoot those guys dead, really isn't that mature in my mind. A game that makes you think about the people you kill now that can get mature, but that isn't the type of game I would play everyday either. It is the type of game that stays with me though.
 
Typhlosion said:
no, not really. its just that one guy Jas0n who seems all the time that when someone says or makes a false statement by mistake, he has to but in and be a pest.
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You don't want him to harp on you? Try to create logical comments. Try not to sound like a five year old trying to explain something to his kindergarden teacher. Use proper grammar and proper spelling and then he won't jump on you like that. Read your posts before you click the post button. Read it and see if it sounds logical and it fits the parameters of something that would be considered intelligent.

Nintendo has hashed out some really good games with a lot of depth. i.e. Majora's Mask
 
Neo Bacon Prototype said:
You don't want him to harp on you? Try to create logical comments. Try not to sound like a five year old trying to explain something to his kindergarden teacher. Use proper grammar and proper spelling and then he won't jump on you like that. Read your posts before you click the post button. Read it and see if it sounds logical and it fits the parameters of something that would be considered intelligent.

Nintendo has hashed out some really good games with a lot of depth. i.e. Majora's Mask
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To me, grammar is not on the number 1 spot for most important things in the world list, and everyone makes mistakes..not just me..its people like him who have to make you feel like dirt just because you mis-used a word or missed out a letter etc..
 
Typhlosion, your sentence wasn't as bad as these guys are making it out to be, but it was a little funny, and you really shouldn't take too much offense about it, just laugh and learn. Really though people let it drop once it is done, it is off the topic, and when you keep harping on them about it they just become more defiant. That is no way to teach.
 
Sporge27 said:
Typhlosion, your sentence wasn't as bad as these guys are making it out to be, but it was a little funny, and you really shouldn't take too much offense about it, just laugh and learn. Really though people let it drop once it is done, it is off the topic, and when you keep harping on them about it they just become more defiant. That is no way to teach.
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But the thing is, I never made it out to be bad in the first place. I was honestly confused at him 'declaring' that pokemon was on Xbox. It was him who jumped down my throat.
 
Jas0n said:
But the thing is, I never made it out to be bad in the first place. I was honestly confused at him 'declaring' that pokemon was on Xbox. It was him who jumped down my throat.
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It wasn't something you could pretend to not understand.

It was something a normal person couldn't.
Even I.
 
Neo Bacon Prototype said:
Nintendo has hashed out some really good games with a lot of depth. i.e. Majora's Mask
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wait. what.

also, @ sporge, i just want to point out that "hardcore gamers" would likely be more willing to shell out serious cash for their game systems, rather than pay a bit less and get a worse system, or a system that doesn't cater to their needs.

the online services that the ps3 and xbox360 provide are one thing that blows the wii straight out of the water, and nintendo's learned from that, hopefully.

the future of games as an art isn't really in the hands of nintendo (solely, at least)
 
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