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[Megamannt125]

@Gnome
Confirmed timeline:
....................-Wind Waker/Phantom Hourglass-Spirit Tracks
Ocarina of Time
....................\Majora's Mask-Twilight Princess

Every other game is debatable though.

The other games are debatable in a way, but the following is basically confirmed, due to developer quotes and in game evidence:

 

[Tyeforce]

@Tye, none of that is confirmed, not even the FSS, which Aonuma didn't have a big part in, the timeline I posted is the only truly confirmed one.

@Al, MM is a direct sequal to OOT, after Zelda creates the second timeline at the end of OOT so ]Aonuma said that FS and FSA take place before any other game (that was before TMC was released, so it becomes the first in the timeline because it's a prequel to FS/FSA), and regardless of his level of involvement in the game, he wouldn't say something so important if he didn't know what he was talking about. The argument "he wasn't involved much, so he doesn't know what he's talking about" is ridiculous. Being the main developer of Zelda (other than Miyamoto), he would definitely be informed about what's going on with the game, even if he isn't involved much. And he said "we" in the interview, implying that he's talking for the whole development team. I don't know why people argue over developer intent when it's right in front of them. The Four Sword series has a set placement in the timeline according to Aonuma, so why ignore it? The games are so untied to the rest of the series that they could go practically anywhere, so why not before OoT? Aonuma and the team behind FSA says so, so why argue the fact?

As for ALttP, TP makes it very clear that takes place on the Child Timeline. And LA would come after it, being a direct sequel. And to even think that any of the released Zelda games actually take place after ST in the new Hyrule is ridiculous. ST makes it very clear that this Hyrule is a completely new Hyrule, and no other currently released games fit after it. Sure, you can try to make connections, but you're causing yourself more trouble, and creating tons of plot holes while you're at it. It makes much more sense to place ALttP/LA, OoS/OoA, and TLoL/TAoL somewhere after TP in the Child Timeline. And the most logical order, at least to me, is what I posted. It's as close to a confirmed timeline as you can get, at least in my opinion.

 

[«Jack»]

@Jak, don't even try, it's not so easy to be a good theorist, you have to memorize every detail of every Zelda game. You'd be saving yourself by not getting into it.

I meant as in I'll actually watch the debate instead of ignoring it.

 

[Megamannt125]

@Tye, if you follow every developer quote, then LoZ/AoL would go before ALTTP and LA could be anywhere. ;D

 

[Tyeforce]

@Tye
The Happy Mask Salesman is no oridinary man, you'll realize this once you beat MM, and actually, according to OOT, the Ocarina of Time itself can be used to create a seperate timeline, so it's likely it can be used to go back and forth between them.

I'll take your word on Majora's Mask (DAMN GAME IS TOO FRUSTRATING!! GAH!! XD), but the Ocarina of Time cannot be used to travel between alternate timelines. It didn't create an alternate timeline, it was a result of the time travel. The Ocarina of Time was responsible for it, but it didn't directly create it. It sent ]The Ocarina of Time used by the Sage of Time. Zelda created the split on purpose with the OOT, if she didn't know a split would occur then she wouldn't send Link back, if she did, all of Adult Link's efforts would have been for nothing.

Zelda only sent Link back in time so he could relive his childhood. You know, those seven years that he missed due to being sealed in the Sacred Realm? Yeah, that. There's no evidence that Zelda knew that she was creating a split timeline. Besides, the developers didn't even think of the split timeline until TWW.

 

[Tyeforce]

@Tye, if you follow every developer quote, then LoZ/AoL would go before ALTTP and LA could be anywhere. ;D

I don't follow every developer quote. I only follow the quotes that are still valid. Any quote before TWW is invalid because the split timeline hadn't been thought of yet. The split radically changed the timeline, so any previously confirmed timeline placements would likely have changed. They haven't done anything radically different to the timeline since, so any quote after TWW has no reason to be ignored. The FSA obviously took place after TWW, so there's no reason to ignore it.

 

[Megamannt125]

Also Tye, the FSS and LoZ/AoL can both work on the AT, and there is even in-game evidence to support it, also, every game except MM was once on the AT (OOT was once the seal war remember), but that doesn't mean they couldn't have been changed since them, i'm a CT placer, but I don't ignore theories and call them ridiculous, that's just being a bad theorist.
You have to remember, every timeline theory, including your own is just that, a theory, not a fact.
It's not a fact all of the older games are CT.

 

[Megamannt125]

@Tye
The Happy Mask Salesman is no oridinary man, you'll realize this once you beat MM, and actually, according to OOT, the Ocarina of Time itself can be used to create a seperate timeline, so it's likely it can be used to go back and forth between them.

I'll take your word on Majora's Mask (DAMN GAME IS TOO FRUSTRATING!! GAH!! XD), but the Ocarina of Time cannot be used to travel between alternate timelines. It didn't create an alternate timeline, it was a result of the time travel. The Ocarina of Time was responsible for it, but it didn't directly create it. It sent ]The Ocarina of Time used by the Sage of Time. Zelda created the split on purpose with the OOT, if she didn't know a split would occur then she wouldn't send Link back, if she did, all of Adult Link's efforts would have been for nothing.

Zelda only sent Link back in time so he could relive his childhood. You know, those seven years that he missed due to being sealed in the Sacred Realm? Yeah, that. There's no evidence that Zelda knew that she was creating a split timeline. Besides, the developers didn't even think of the split timeline until TWW.

Wrong. If she just did that, everything would be pointless, she let Link go through the temples and defeat Ganondorf so the AT could be safe.

@Bold, Not. Confirmed.

 

[Tyeforce]

@Gnome
Confirmed timeline:
....................-Wind Waker/Phantom Hourglass-Spirit Tracks
Ocarina of Time
....................\Majora's Mask-Twilight Princess

Every other game is debatable though.

The other games are debatable in a way, but the following is basically confirmed, due to developer quotes and in game evidence:

 

[Tyeforce]

Also Tye, the FSS and LoZ/AoL can both work on the AT, and there is even in-game evidence to support it, also, every game except MM was once on the AT (OOT was once the seal war remember), but that doesn't mean they couldn't have been changed since them, i'm a CT placer, but I don't ignore theories and call them ridiculous, that's just being a bad theorist.<br />You have to remember, every timeline theory, including your own is just that, a theory, not a fact.<br />It's not a fact all of the older games are CT.

What evidence? Don't tell me "the presence of Force", because although that might be a nice common element to link PH and ST with TMC, FS, and FSA, it doesn't prove anything. There's no reason why Force can't be present in all timelines. Also, there's more evidence against an Adult Timeline placement for the FSS than there is for it. The biggest thing is that ST takes place in a completely new Hyrule, not the Hyrule of OoT, TP, and ALttP. But we know that ALttP Hyrule is the same as FSA Hyrule, so saying that FSA takes place on the Adult Timeline is also saying that ALttP goes there, too, and that just doesn't fit at all.

I don't know why we're even arguing about the FSS's placement. There's no reason to ignore Aomuna's quote. If he says that they go before OoT, then they go OoT, period. No one argues about TWW and TP's placement, do they? Why do we choose to believe the developers for those games but ignore the FSS?

 

[Megamannt125]

Minish Cap has new Hylian, which didn't exist until Wind Waker, there's also the reference of the Golden triumph forks.
You're just ignoring theories you don't like despite in-game evidence to support it.

 

[Tyeforce]

@Tye
The Happy Mask Salesman is no oridinary man, you'll realize this once you beat MM, and actually, according to OOT, the Ocarina of Time itself can be used to create a seperate timeline, so it's likely it can be used to go back and forth between them.

I'll take your word on Majora's Mask (DAMN GAME IS TOO FRUSTRATING!! GAH!! XD), but the Ocarina of Time cannot be used to travel between alternate timelines. It didn't create an alternate timeline, it was a result of the time travel. The Ocarina of Time was responsible for it, but it didn't directly create it. It sent ]The Ocarina of Time used by the Sage of Time. Zelda created the split on purpose with the OOT, if she didn't know a split would occur then she wouldn't send Link back, if she did, all of Adult Link's efforts would have been for nothing.

Zelda only sent Link back in time so he could relive his childhood. You know, those seven years that he missed due to being sealed in the Sacred Realm? Yeah, that. There's no evidence that Zelda knew that she was creating a split timeline. Besides, the developers didn't even think of the split timeline until TWW.

Wrong. If she just did that, everything would be pointless, she let Link go through the temples and defeat Ganondorf so the AT could be safe.

@Bold, Not. Confirmed.

If they had thought of it at the time of OoT, then they why did they give us a linear timeline in their interviews? The didn't mention anything about a split until TWW. And we know that TWW changed the timeline drastically, because up until then ALttP was supposed to be the Seal War, but TWW destroyed any hope of that sticking.

And why would it be pointless? Ganondorf was sealed. Hyrule was safe. There was no need for the Hero of Time anymore.

 

[Megamannt125]

Quoting limited to 5 levels deepIt didn't create an alternate timeline, it was a result of the time travel. The Ocarina of Time was responsible for it, but it didn't directly create it. It sent ]The Ocarina of Time used by the Sage of Time. Zelda created the split on purpose with the OOT, if she didn't know a split would occur then she wouldn't send Link back, if she did, all of Adult Link's efforts would have been for nothing.

Zelda only sent Link back in time so he could relive his childhood. You know, those seven years that he missed due to being sealed in the Sacred Realm? Yeah, that. There's no evidence that Zelda knew that she was creating a split timeline. Besides, the developers didn't even think of the split timeline until TWW.

Wrong. If she just did that, everything would be pointless, she let Link go through the temples and defeat Ganondorf so the AT could be safe.

@Bold, Not. Confirmed.

If they had thought of it at the time of OoT, then they why did they give us a linear timeline in their interviews? The didn't mention anything about a split until TWW. And we know that TWW changed the timeline drastically, because up until then ALttP was supposed to be the Seal War, but TWW destroyed any hope of that sticking.

And why would it be pointless? Ganondorf was sealed. Hyrule was safe. There was no need for the Hero of Time anymore.

If Zelda thought she was just sending Link back, he would've left Ganon alone, meaning the events seven years later never happened, so why didn't Zelda just send him back from the start of the Adult Portion of the game instead of him saving Hyrule, which would've been erased unless the split was created.

 

[Tyeforce]

Minish Cap has new Hylian, which didn't exist until Wind Waker, there's also the reference of the Golden triumph forks.
You're just ignoring theories you don't like despite in-game evidence to support it.

You can't take everything as evidence. Especially from a game developed by Capcom, who loves to reuse elements from older games. The TWW Hylian text can be explained because Capcom didn't want to create their own Hylian language, so they just went with what was available. Yes, they could have used OoT Hylian, but it's much more limited than TWW Hylian. Besides, it can be argued that TWW Hylian is just an updated version of OoT Hylian, because they wanted to update the outdated and incomplete OoT Hylian to make it easier to translate and look better. In other words, the difference between OoT Hylian and TWW Hylian could very well be nothing more than a change in style. The two languages can be one and the same, despite looking different, much like the statue of the Hero of Time in TWW. The Hero of Time looked nothing like the statue in TWW, it was just changed to match the style of the game. Also, TMC uses the same style as TWW, so it using TWW's style of the Hylian language is understandable.

As for the Triumph Forks, it's most likely just a meaningless reference thrown in by Capcom, along with the references to the Oracle games.

I don't ignore in game evidence, I ignore references and cameos that contradict other, more important evidence.

 

[Megamannt125]

It could or couldn't be solid evidence, like I said, you're just ignoring what you don't like.

 

[Tyeforce]

Quoting limited to 5 levels deepIt

Zelda only sent ]Besides, the developers didn't even think of the split timeline until TWW.[/b]

Wrong. If she just did that, everything would be pointless, she let Link go through the temples and defeat Ganondorf so the AT could be safe.

@Bold, Not. Confirmed.

If they had thought of it at the time of OoT, then they why did they give us a linear timeline in their interviews? The didn't mention anything about a split until TWW. And we know that TWW changed the timeline drastically, because up until then ALttP was supposed to be the Seal War, but TWW destroyed any hope of that sticking.

And why would it be pointless? Ganondorf was sealed. Hyrule was safe. There was no need for the Hero of Time anymore.

If Zelda thought she was just sending Link back, he would've left Ganon alone, meaning the events seven years later never happened, so why didn't Zelda just send him back from the start of the Adult Portion of the game instead of him saving Hyrule, which would've been erased unless the split was created.

Sending him back wouldn't mean that everything would be erased. I agree, Zelda wouldn't do that if that was the case. Whether she knew that it would cause an alternate timeline or not really doesn't matter, it's whether Nintendo had thought of it at the time. They probably thought of the possibility, but they certainly didn't use it until TWW.

 

[Tyeforce]

It could or couldn't be solid evidence, like I said, you're just ignoring what you don't like.

No, I'm not ignoring what I don't like. I'm ignoring it because some things have to be ignored, otherwise some evidence contradicts other evidence. If you take every little reference in TMC as fact, then TMC has to take place on both timelines and before the split simultaneously, and I don't think it's possible for one game to take place in three different places in time. You, on the other hand, are ignoring what you don't like when it comes to Aonuma's FSA interview.

 

[Megamannt125]

I consider the Hylian Text a reasonable arguement, but does that mean i'll put MC on the AT? No.

Plus like you said earlier, the quote by Eiji was before MC, the timeline isn't set in stone. It can change.

 

[Megamannt125]

It could or couldn't be solid evidence, like I said, you're just ignoring what you don't like.

No, I'm not ignoring what I don't like. I'm ignoring it because some things have to be ignored, otherwise some evidence contradicts other evidence. If you take every little reference in TMC as fact, then TMC has to take place on both timelines and before the split simultaneously, and I don't think it's possible for one game to take place in three different places in time. You, on the other hand, are ignoring what you don't like when it comes to Aonuma's FSA interview.

Not at all, they are good points, and shouldn't be ignored.

Evidence in Zelda always contradicts other evidence, nothing new, what's your point?

I'm not ignoring it, just pointing out you can't be so sure it's fact and take every developer quote to heart, the only reason the Split is fact is because it's been said more than once.

 

[Rawburt]

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