Donald Trump's cabinet picks

[Haskell]

http://dennismichaellynch.com/college-professor-caught-tape-referencing-students-vote-hillary/

There are more to these. Watching various news networks I've seen reports on them. College professors are supposed to teach students not tell them who to vote for. .-.

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Let's agree to disagree, Red Cat? I only see this escalating.

 

[ams]

I find what's going on in the US so interesting. The parallels between what's going on now and conservative revolutions in the Middle East and elsewhere in the world are particularly fascinating. I really look forward to watching how everything plays out from up here in Canada

 

[Haskell]

If I upset you, I apologize. I'm done with this thread. Ok?

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Would you stop and look at the way you're treating other people in your posts, you're being an incredibly rude to everyone in this thread. I didn't say anything rude about you, I just stated what I think about Trump and my own political opinions. My family is democratic, and my brother said he felt like horses*** because he thought he wasted his vote and he let people around him convince him to make the wrong choice. He never liked trump, but he said afterwards that he thought back and should have voted for Clinton.

If you can't handle being civil to other people in a political conversation, then its time for you to stop. What you're saying is uncalled for when I didn't say anything rude to you, I only put in my 2 cents.

I apologize if I made you that upset. I'm done with this thread.

 

[Red Cat]

http://dennismichaellynch.com/college-professor-caught-tape-referencing-students-vote-hillary/

There are more to these. Watching various news networks I've seen reports on them. College professors are supposed to teach students not tell them who to vote for. .-.

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Let's agree to disagree, Red Cat? I only see this escalating.

Well, I already know that I'm not changing your mind lol. But you seriously posted a link to a website called dennismichaellynch.com that has a story on the front page about some secret revenge plot to kill thousands of people by Hillary Clinton? And then people like you wonder why people like me think fake news is a serious problem. I don't even want to know what your "various news networks" are (well actually I do so I can get a few more chuckles in). It's impossible to have an "intellectual discussion" with someone who doesn't even get their news from legitimate sources and thus is making arguments based on things which aren't even true. And yes, I know I have a 0% chance of changing your mind, but I like to draw attention to this kind of stuff for other people who just happen to be reading this.

 

[Haskell]

Well, I already know that I'm not changing your mind lol. But you seriously posted a link to a website called dennismichaellynch.com that has a story on the front page about some secret revenge plot to kill thousands of people by Hillary Clinton? And then people like you wonder why people like me think fake news is a serious problem. I don't even want to know what your "various news networks" are (well actually I do so I can get a few more chuckles in). It's impossible to have an "intellectual discussion" with someone who doesn't even get their news from legitimate sources and thus is making arguments based on things which aren't even true. And yes, I know I have a 0% chance of changing your mind, but I like to draw attention to this kind of stuff for other people who just happen to be reading this.

Last thing before I leave. I found many links to that same article. Just google it. Many reported on it.

Yes. I'm wrong, you all are right.

 

[Red Cat]

Last thing before I leave. I found many links to that same article. Just google it. Many reported on it.

I'm sure there are some bad college professors out there who inappropriately try to influence their students' political opinions just like there are some bad businessmen out there who inappropriately touch their employees' private parts.

 

[nintendofan85]

His campaign was sophisticated enough because the voters are not. Hillary Clinton won among college educated voters and Trump won among non-college educated voters. So statistically speaking, Trump voters are less intelligent.

Which basically undermines the reason the founding fathers created the electoral college.

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The last major U.S. recession was in 2008, so it actually took the public less than 8 years to forget that letting businessmen run the government ends in disaster. My cats have have long-term memory than most Americans.

2007-2009 to be precise. It lasted from December 2007 to June 2009. I agree with your point, I'm justing pointing out that it was a lengthy recession and the business-politics mix definitely had an effect.

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Don't talk about changing opinions. Hillary Clinton has changed her opinion on many things. Running against Barack - against gay marriage. Running against Trump - for gay marriage.
^ that's just one example.

You can't prove someone would have campaigned differently in a hypothetical situation. I think a lot of people can see that both candidates would have campaigned differently if it was for the popular vote.

He doesn't talk about how the electoral college is screwed up because he has more pressing matters. I can understand why you see it your way though. I think the electoral college electoral votes should split up over who won what county, etc. Each state splits up the electoral votes. Like Maine does. Another state does it too but I forget what state it is. I want to say Georgia but I'm not sure.

Nebraska. It did so in the 2008 election.

 

[SuperVandal]

His campaign was sophisticated enough because the voters are not. Hillary Clinton won among college educated voters and Trump won among non-college educated voters. So statistically speaking, Trump voters are less intelligent.

just to add a wrinkle to these statistics, Hillary performed worse than Obama did in 2012 with people who had a high school education or less. more importantly, she did far worse with people who had "some college education," which is a group that I think includes people who are currently in college and people who dropped out (just to reiterate: Obama won this group in 2012 while Hillary lost it in 2016). she certainly performed better with people who had college degrees, but i think there's more to this than just college/non-college educated voters.

when you break down the education category by race, Trump won with white college voters and white non-college voters. there's a considerable margin between whites and non-whites with college degrees along with whites and non-whites without college degrees. i think it's important to make that distinction because simply calling Trump voters the voters that are "uneducated" completely excludes the huge percentage of white college voters that enabled his victory especially in the swing states.

simply calling Trump voters less intelligent is dangerous because Hillary did not win among all college-educated voters; she lost the white college-educated vote and by not facing this reality we ignore issues that run on more than just separate racial, educational, and class divisions

 

[Red Cat]

just to add a wrinkle to these statistics, Hillary performed worse than Obama did in 2012 with people who had a high school education or less. more importantly, she did far worse with people who had "some college education," which is a group that I think includes people who are currently in college and people who dropped out (just to reiterate: Obama won this group in 2012 while Hillary lost it in 2016). she certainly performed better with people who had college degrees, but i think there's more to this than just college/non-college educated voters.

when you break down the education category by race, Trump won with white college voters and white non-college voters. there's a considerable margin between whites and non-whites with college degrees along with whites and non-whites without college degrees. i think it's important to make that distinction because simply calling Trump voters the voters that are "uneducated" completely excludes the huge percentage of white college voters that enabled his victory especially in the swing states.

simply calling Trump voters less intelligent is dangerous because Hillary did not win among all college-educated voters; she lost the white college-educated vote and by not facing this reality we ignore issues that run on more than just separate racial, educational, and class divisions

It's true that the education gap in the polls is more nuanced than I made it out to be in my post. Education is more of a symptom than the cause of how people voted. The race and gender gaps were far worse and while having a college education helped some whites and males see why Trump's language about women and minorities was really bad, it is by no means a "cure" to racism and sexism. Part of it was on Hillary Clinton as she was terrible at communicating to working-class and college-educated whites, but that doesn't really excuse them for turning a blind eye to Trump's words and actions either.

 

[Bacon Boy]

It's true that the education gap in the polls is more nuanced than I made it out to be in my post. Education is more of a symptom than the cause of how people voted. The race and gender gaps were far worse and while having a college education helped some whites and males see why Trump's language about women and minorities was really bad, it is by no means a "cure" to racism and sexism. Part of it was on Hillary Clinton as she was terrible at communicating to working-class and college-educated whites, but that doesn't really excuse them for turning a blind eye to Trump's words and actions either.

I think that the problem we're facing here, especially in this election, was the refusal to vote third party. The nation treated this election like it had only two parties running. Our refusal to break from that tradition is hurting us deeply. Despite the rhetoric and the words used by each person, Donald Trump and Hillary are more alike than most people realize. Donald Trump is the most moderate republican that has ever run, with his views leaning towards the left on a lot of issues. However, the reason he won is because he didn't treat Hillary's voters like Hillary treated Trump's voters. By grouping everyone into one group (deplorables, alt-right, racist, misogynistic, xenophobic, Islamophobic, etc.), they were less likely to vote for her. There were a lot of people on the fence in this election and Hillary's out of touch-ness with the American people hurt her. Not as in Trump was in touch with the middle class man, but he knew how to talk to people on a "real" level, whereas Hillary didn't. Also, just to state this, I didn't like either of them, nor did I vote for either of them. This is in no way a defense of anything that Trump has said or done.

 

[Haskell]

Pollsters said educated college voters voted for Hillary.
Pollsters said non-educated college voters voted for Trump.

Pollsters also said that Hillary was going to get elected.

See that pattern?

Side Note : College educated and non-college educated are two large categories. You can't simplify them into two different standoffs. Just because someone went to college doesn't make them more intelligent. Just look at what is happening on college campuses. .-.

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Now let everyone classify things into the "black vote", "white vote", "latino vote"... or how about we just call it the American vote? People are irritating me more to a day-to-day basis. I've had people tell me several times that my opinion is wrong because I'm white.

"White people are trash." - Not racist.
"Black people are trash." - Racist.

It's called a double standard in which we don't have anymore. It doesn't matter what you're race is or your gender. Well, it shouldn't matter. .-.

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It's true that the education gap in the polls is more nuanced than I made it out to be in my post. Education is more of a symptom than the cause of how people voted. The race and gender gaps were far worse and while having a college education helped some whites and males see why Trump's language about women and minorities was really bad, it is by no means a "cure" to racism and sexism. Part of it was on Hillary Clinton as she was terrible at communicating to working-class and college-educated whites, but that doesn't really excuse them for turning a blind eye to Trump's words and actions either.

Part of it was that Hillary just doesn't like America and many see that. She only likes filling her pockets.

 

[-Apples-]

Pollsters said educated college voters voted for Hillary.
Pollsters said non-educated college voters voted for Trump.

Pollsters also said that Hillary was going to get elected.

See that pattern?

Side Note : College educated and non-college educated are two large categories. You can't simplify them into two different standoffs. Just because someone went to college doesn't make them more intelligent. Just look at what is happening on college campuses. .-.

I saw the real truth about college education. More years in college doesn't mean more education. The reason why conservates are "less educated" is because liberals have dominated the education system for a while. Colleges indoctrinate students to be liberals. They don't teach them anything new. They're not only taught to believe that communism is right and capitalism is wrong when I was told that communism is one of the worst ideas ever invented, but they also shove their social beliefs down their throats. Good thing my college doesn't do that, but most colleges do. It's not really education to only be in your comfort zone when you learn.

Now let everyone classify things into the "black vote", "white vote", "latino vote"... or how about we just call it the American vote? People are irritating me more to a day-to-day basis. I've had people tell me several times that my opinion is wrong because I'm white.

"White people are trash." - Not racist.
"Black people are trash." - Racist.

It's called a double standard in which we don't have anymore. It doesn't matter what you're race is or your gender. Well, it shouldn't matter. .-.

Conservatives may have been more of a limited demographic (straight, white, male, Christian, and middle-class) while liberals are more diverse in many categories, but the truth is, liberals are ten times more intolerant than conservatives, yet they don't admit it or realize it. Granted, there are more tolerant liberals than intolerant liberals while conservatives outnumber liberals in our country, but most intolerant people in the political spectrum are liberals. Here's some proof:

- They denounce all white conservatives as racists and try to silence them, but they say very racist things towards conservatives of different groups
- They are more likely to unfriend, stop following, or block people on Facebook or Twitter over who you voted
- They are more likely to boycott or buy-cott businesses based on political beliefs (they even say Chick-fil-a is the worst fast food chain despite being mostly positive in quality and satisfaction while actually not discriminating against anyone)
- They accuse conservatives of intolerance for simply having different beliefs
- They try to silence conservatives in talk shows and schools, but force people to listen to them
- They are more likely to call Trump voters bad names for voting Trump than conservatives are to call Hillary voters the same thing, while not caring why they really voted
- They use the terms "racist", "misogynist", "homophobe", and "Nazi" incorrectly AND use them as an excuse for bullying conservatives. They even call it "the right thing" to bully people. So while they accuse of intolerance, they're being even more intolerant

The list could go on and on. We can drop racial discrimination, LGBT (and their counterparts) discrimination, sex discrimination, and class hatred from both sides, but if there's anything liberals are doing wrong, it's political discrimination.

 

[SuperVandal]

I think that the problem we're facing here, especially in this election, was the refusal to vote third party. The nation treated this election like it had only two parties running. Our refusal to break from that tradition is hurting us deeply. Despite the rhetoric and the words used by each person, Donald Trump and Hillary are more alike than most people realize. Donald Trump is the most moderate republican that has ever run, with his views leaning towards the left on a lot of issues. However, the reason he won is because he didn't treat Hillary's voters like Hillary treated Trump's voters. By grouping everyone into one group (deplorables, alt-right, racist, misogynistic, xenophobic, Islamophobic, etc.), they were less likely to vote for her. There were a lot of people on the fence in this election and Hillary's out of touch-ness with the American people hurt her. Not as in Trump was in touch with the middle class man, but he knew how to talk to people on a "real" level, whereas Hillary didn't. Also, just to state this, I didn't like either of them, nor did I vote for either of them. This is in no way a defense of anything that Trump has said or done.

third party voting is way more complicated than just voting or not voting for parties. there's a reason why America has a two-party system while other countries such as Britain have a three-party system. it's based on election rules and changing it would involve more than just voting patterns. if you want a new party to emerge, you'd have to see one of the two current parties replaced as seen in American politics in the past. if you're really interested in how it works(though i doubt most people here are) most introductory political science classes go over this concept. or, y'know, youtube works as well lol

as for how Trump won- it's way more complicated than how each candidate treated the other side's voters. i think what you're getting at is how the media impacted this election in the portrayal of each candidate. i would say most of us know the very worst of each candidate simply because news outlets regurgitated talking points or "bombshells" of the past year - the deplorables comment, Trump's comments about women, etc. you're right, i think Trump played better at appearing more moderate than Hillary did throughout the campaign. much of that has to do with how he backtracked so much on his statements that no one really knows what the hell he's standing for. the right forgave Trump for reaching out towards the middle far more than the left did for Hillary. which, again, ties back to media portrayal. Hillary received far more flack for switching positions on issues than Trump did and it played into people's prejudices of her.

as for being out of touch- again, I'd like to mention how the media played into this election. i think both candidates were equally out of touch to the other side, but Trump was able to touch into the anger and energy of his own camp far more effectively than Hillary. he played towards his base and i dont think it had anything to do with him speaking on a real level, whatever that means. it amazes me to this day how Trump utilized the media to win. he called and called on a bias against him and that all news networks were out to get him. he had the camera pointed on him since the very beginning, and he used that to galvanize voters for him by playing to the fears and worries people had. i don't remember ever seeing a full Hillary rally being broadcast on television unless it was to denote an important milestone (primary victory, veep selection, etc.) Trump had his rallies broadcast on a daily basis because he knew what to say. and that's what it takes to be a winner.
he was better at playing politician than Hillary, and that's what I find extremely amusing as people call for him to "drain the swamp."

at the end of the day, Trump won by electoral vote. that means he won on a strategic level. he knew where to campaign in which key areas/states because he saw the weakness in Hillary's voter appeal.

I saw the real truth about college education. More years in college doesn't mean more education. The reason why conservates are "less educated" is because liberals have dominated the education system for a while. Colleges indoctrinate students to be liberals. They don't teach them anything new. They're not only taught to believe that communism is right and capitalism is wrong when I was told that communism is one of the worst ideas ever invented, but they also shove their social beliefs down their throats. Good thing my college doesn't do that, but most colleges do. It's not really education to only be in your comfort zone when you learn.



Conservatives may have been more of a limited demographic (straight, white, male, Christian, and middle-class) while liberals are more diverse in many categories, but the truth is, liberals are ten times more intolerant than conservatives, yet they don't admit it or realize it. Granted, there are more tolerant liberals than intolerant liberals while conservatives outnumber liberals in our country, but most intolerant people in the political spectrum are liberals. Here's some proof:

- They denounce all white conservatives as racists and try to silence them, but they say very racist things towards conservatives of different groups
- They are more likely to unfriend, stop following, or block people on Facebook or Twitter over who you voted
- They are more likely to boycott or buy-cott businesses based on political beliefs (they even say Chick-fil-a is the worst fast food chain despite being mostly positive in quality and satisfaction while actually not discriminating against anyone)
- They accuse conservatives of intolerance for simply having different beliefs
- They try to silence conservatives in talk shows and schools, but force people to listen to them
- They are more likely to call Trump voters bad names for voting Trump than conservatives are to call Hillary voters the same thing, while not caring why they really voted
- They use the terms "racist", "misogynist", "homophobe", and "Nazi" incorrectly AND use them as an excuse for bullying conservatives. They even call it "the right thing" to bully people. So while they accuse of intolerance, they're being even more intolerant

The list could go on and on. We can drop racial discrimination, LGBT (and their counterparts) discrimination, sex discrimination, and class hatred from both sides, but if there's anything liberals are doing wrong, it's political discrimination.

congratulations, you speak of generalizations and discrimination as you yourself participate in the act of perpetuating generalizations.

 

[Antonio]

Well, it's time to move to canada, anyone care to join me in this exciting adventure to escape before the apocalypse begins. I got popcorn...

 

[-Apples-]

congratulations, you speak of generalizations and discrimination as you yourself participate in the act of perpetuating generalizations.

But I wasn't trying to say all liberals are bigots. I was pointing out that liberals in general are more intolerant than conservatives because when it comes to intolerance like that, more often it's done by liberals. But I can say this much. I'm not perfect. I'm just frustrated at how liberals behaved in the past few years.

 

[Annabloem]

Maybe it's just because I'm from the Netherlands, were we have many political parties, who get elected based on how many people vote for them (we always have coalitions) but I really don't get why there are only "two parties" in the USA (and I'm genuinely interested). I'll look for some youtube video's later!
even the uk's three party-system has interested me (to me, it was hilarious how freaked out they were by having a coalition government, while that's all we have, all the time xD)

 

[SuperVandal]

Maybe it's just because I'm from the Netherlands, were we have many political parties, who get elected based on how many people vote for them (we always have coalitions) but I really don't get why there are only "two parties" in the USA (and I'm genuinely interested). I'll look for some youtube video's later!
even the uk's three party-system has interested me (to me, it was hilarious how freaked out they were by having a coalition government, while that's all we have, all the time xD)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7tWHJfhiyo

 

[moonford]

Would you stop and look at the way you're treating other people in your posts, you're being an incredibly rude to everyone in this thread. I didn't say anything rude about you, I just stated what I think about Trump and my own political opinions. My family is democratic, and my brother said he felt like horses*** because he thought he wasted his vote and he let people around him convince him to make the wrong choice. He never liked trump, but he said afterwards that he thought back and should have voted for Clinton.

If you can't handle being civil to other people in a political conversation, then its time for you to stop. What you're saying is uncalled for when I didn't say anything rude to you, I only put in my 2 cents.

They wanted to talk to me about Politics because I'm a "Hillary supporter", glad I declined their offer for a "civil" discussion, because if they were going to behave like this it would be annoying.
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As for this thread, Its just another reason for me to hate that orange faced creep, those choices are unbearable.

I'm independent and most of my views agree with the Green Party (In UK & Ireland politics), so I disagree with Trump and Clinton on many many things.

I hate Trump because he has said many nasty things including racist, xenophobic, LGBT+ phobic slurs and actions, he made fun of a physically disabled man, he acts like a child during debates, he has been accused of sexual assault, he has no political experience, he objectifys women and his arrogance annoys me.

I dislike Clinton because she has done many horrible things in the past, has had homophobic and racist views in the past (which she no longer agrees with, I assume), her husband is Bill Clinton who has been accused of many inappropriate acts towards women and I lose all respect for anyone who stays with a man/women who sexually abuses people, and therefore I have no respect for her.

The only reason I prefer Hillary is because:
1. She has political experience.
2. I agree with a few things she has said.
3. I believe she has changed a lot for the greater good unlike Trump who is still an abomination.

 

[Haskell]

Well, it's time to move to canada, anyone care to join me in this exciting adventure to escape before the apocalypse begins. I got popcorn...

Move to Canada. For one, they're more "white". For two, they're socialist. For three, their economy is failing like many others. For four, they're less tolerant. xoxo

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The only reason I prefer Hillary is because:
1. She has political experience.
2. I agree with a few things she has said.
3. I believe she has changed.

Just because she has political experience doesn't mean she'll be better. Coolidge for example had a lot of political experience. Didn't do so good in office. American people are also tired of politicians who don't care for the them and act like any other politician filling their own agenda.

Few things that she changes her mind on to fit the left? 2008 - LGBT marriage is wrong. 2016 - LGBT marriage is right.

Any politician can "change".

 

[N e s s]

Move to Canada. For one, they're more "white". For two, they're socialist. For three, their economy is failing like many others. For four, they're less tolerant. xoxo

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Just because she has political experience doesn't mean she'll be better. Coolidge for example had a lot of political experience. Didn't do so good in office. American people are also tired of politicians who don't care for the them and act like any other politician filling their own agenda.

Few things that she changes her mind on to fit the left? 2008 - LGBT marriage is wrong. 2016 - LGBT marriage is right.

Any politician can "change".

Didn't you say you were done with this thread