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amanda1983
Senior Member
Panda - if you are Town, PLEASE think carefully before claiming.
PandaDarling
Purple People Eater
I know guys thank you... I'm heading to job #2 of the day 
I probably won't have much time to post.
I probably won't have much time to post.
Okay, so I'm gonna take off the kid gloves for this one and get serious for once. Reads will come along, but in individual posts. I'll be going through every single individual post and interaction of every living player to try and get as good of an idea of their alignment as possible. Just for reference, here's my normal system of coloring.
Red - Likely Scum
Maroon - Scum-Leaning
Gray - Null
Green - Town-Leaning
Lime - Likely Town
I'll be starting to look into people's posts one at a time, starting at the top of the player list in the OP. It's currently 11:35 PM at the time of posting this, and I'll be starting things up right about now. Just a quick note though, I'm probably going to take a break to sleep, so these won't all come out at once. Also, I'll be posting thoughts on the situations at hand as the game progresses outside of these reads. Those will probably be below an individual read which I post later on.
That's enough rambling for me right now. Off I go...
Red - Likely Scum
Maroon - Scum-Leaning
Gray - Null
Green - Town-Leaning
Lime - Likely Town
I'll be starting to look into people's posts one at a time, starting at the top of the player list in the OP. It's currently 11:35 PM at the time of posting this, and I'll be starting things up right about now. Just a quick note though, I'm probably going to take a break to sleep, so these won't all come out at once. Also, I'll be posting thoughts on the situations at hand as the game progresses outside of these reads. Those will probably be below an individual read which I post later on.
That's enough rambling for me right now. Off I go...
amanda1983
Senior Member
My initial question was *CAN you expand on this please?* as a query, seeking more information but not any particular outcome from her. At the time I was wondering if she was claiming or soft-claiming, and was curious if she would follow up on that. But as soon as I saw your post and realised the strategy is more complex than I had considered (I do not fully understand the relative advantages and disadvantages for claiming in situations like this).
My second post was clarifying that I was not seeking a claim or any information that would jeopardise town.
I hope that clears things up, please let me know if not, and apologies for the confusion caused.
My second post was clarifying that I was not seeking a claim or any information that would jeopardise town.
I hope that clears things up, please let me know if not, and apologies for the confusion caused.
I know guys thank you... I'm heading to job #2 of the day
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amanda1983
Senior Member
EBWOP : But as soon as I saw your post *I* realised the...
Alright, here's my first grilling session...ready to go.
Heyden
Anyway, his response to f11 sits as normal, and remains pretty objective to the situation. His response to Zendel, however, really sits kind of strangely. If not for the "wow" at the end, this could be seen as something completely normal to say, but that "wow" makes things seem like Heyden is trying to berate Zendel for trying to make connections in the game. This is completely counter-intuitive to what Zendel's reads were meant to do, which was to spur discussion. Hindering this puts Heyden in a position where people could easily scum-lean him.
As for his statement after this, the submissive behavior I mentioned earlier somewhat continues, albeit indirectly, in that he states that nothing has really happened over time. This, to me, looks like he's sitting and waiting for something to happen, rather than trying to make something happen himself. This post does only really have context in terms of the time between this post and his last, but this idea is proving to be a common theme for him at this point.
The bolded part in the second paragraph is what I really want to focus on there. Not wanting to say anything about it seems very off-putting, and gives off an impression that Heyden has something to hide, and also goes back to the whole "waiting for others to be proactive" idea from before.
Skipping the next 5 posts, since there are no points of interest in any of them (Most have to do with the Flavor Meta)
OVERALL ASSESSMENT: Scum-Leaning
Heyden seems very unwilling to do anything by himself thus far, using the skills of other players to propel himself into a Town-like situation. He hasn't added very much to discussion, mainly playing sheep to what other people say during the Day. The discussion he has attempted to create has only been in the form of asking people he has already scum-leaned (though most of his scum-leans are not explicit) very counterproductive questions (i.e - 4 most likely scum). I place this as only Scum-Leaning, since it is still somewhat early into the game, and I don't typically go into solid red until later on.
Anyway, that's one down. 11 to go; next up on the list is Nightmares.
Heyden
These are just his answers to the RQs. I'm just putting this here to let you guys know that I won't continue to put these in other reads of people.
This is a fair assumption to make, putting my bias against using meta in arguments aside.
This seems a bit quick to just kind of flip like that, with their last post saying that 5 scum is unlikely, though it seems like a very submissive post at that. My thought is that, based on his willingness to change his opinion on a dime, along with his general submissiveness when Panda made an argument, Heyden could either be Town who doesn't want to lead, or Mafia who doesn't want to get caught so easily. Personally, I'd lean more toward the former (based on this post alone), considering that, at the time, Panda was one of the main driving forces during the Day. With that in mind, getting away from a discussion like this would generate more time for the greater task of actually finding scum. Obviously there was a miss on the lynch Yesterday, but this shows that Heyden is indirectly proactive during the Day.
Heyden's first statement reinforces the idea from the last quote. The second statement, while I disagree with it based on the timing of it, isn't something I want to look into, since things have changed since then in terms of who is active and who isn't.
Added context quotes for this one, since they weren't directly quoted. I'm not going to look into Apple's post to see if he actually Town-leaned Heyden, since I don't think that's necessary to glean information from this post.
Anyway, his response to f11 sits as normal, and remains pretty objective to the situation. His response to Zendel, however, really sits kind of strangely. If not for the "wow" at the end, this could be seen as something completely normal to say, but that "wow" makes things seem like Heyden is trying to berate Zendel for trying to make connections in the game. This is completely counter-intuitive to what Zendel's reads were meant to do, which was to spur discussion. Hindering this puts Heyden in a position where people could easily scum-lean him.
The problem with being reaction tested is that stating that somebody is probably reaction testing you is a very bad thing to do, and makes Heyden look pretty bad in the face of f11's vote.
As for his statement after this, the submissive behavior I mentioned earlier somewhat continues, albeit indirectly, in that he states that nothing has really happened over time. This, to me, looks like he's sitting and waiting for something to happen, rather than trying to make something happen himself. This post does only really have context in terms of the time between this post and his last, but this idea is proving to be a common theme for him at this point.
More meta, so I'd rather not dive into that.
With the "jk invalid but still" being put aside, I just want to address this real quick, since I believe that using this idea as an argument is pretty absurd. If somebody wants to start the RQs up, then just let them and don't think anything of it, honestly. I feel like it's pretty random who puts them up anyways.
Meta aside, not knowing the setup's Town:Scum is no reason to Town-lean somebody, considering that anybody can be easily clueless about the setup, whether they're actually clueless or they have at least somewhat of an idea based on their alignment.
The bolded part in the second paragraph is what I really want to focus on there. Not wanting to say anything about it seems very off-putting, and gives off an impression that Heyden has something to hide, and also goes back to the whole "waiting for others to be proactive" idea from before.
Skipping the next 5 posts, since there are no points of interest in any of them (Most have to do with the Flavor Meta)
Heyden has made a complete tone shift in this post, going from somewhat submissive and waiting for others to do all the work, to acting like he's in charge and waiting for other people to do work because he tells them to. There has been absolutely nothing to indicate that Heyden is in any way a Town leader at this point, so this really raises a big red flag.
This is kind of the same thing as the previous quote, but I don't think it's so such an extent as the previous. Nonetheless, it still shows.
I'm not sure I agree with dropping somebody because they have good reads. I feel like reads are a completely different part of the game than any other discussion, so if somebody does something suspicious, then it shouldn't be negated because the same person has good reads. I'm not going to hold it against you, since it seems like a lot of people do that, but it's something I want to keep in mind for the future.
OVERALL ASSESSMENT: Scum-Leaning
Heyden seems very unwilling to do anything by himself thus far, using the skills of other players to propel himself into a Town-like situation. He hasn't added very much to discussion, mainly playing sheep to what other people say during the Day. The discussion he has attempted to create has only been in the form of asking people he has already scum-leaned (though most of his scum-leans are not explicit) very counterproductive questions (i.e - 4 most likely scum). I place this as only Scum-Leaning, since it is still somewhat early into the game, and I don't typically go into solid red until later on.
Anyway, that's one down. 11 to go; next up on the list is Nightmares.
I don't think it was anything Seroja said that got her killed, but rather the fact almost everyone town read her except JacobSeroja no!!!!
Time to back and re-read her posts.
If I am being completely honest, I was highkey starting to think Seroja was mafia... I apologize for wasting posts on slight pushing against seroja. I probably would've started a huge case on her if she didn't die, which I was kinda leading up to when Zendel asked for my lynch candidates.
That being said the points f11 brought up about Zendel being mafia is pretty interesting, but I feel like analyzing Toad's actions is wrong...
I'll start writing up cases tomorrow morning
That being said the points f11 brought up about Zendel being mafia is pretty interesting, but I feel like analyzing Toad's actions is wrong...
I'll start writing up cases tomorrow morning
I'd like to hear Panda on who she think scum is, mainly because I'm still very inclined to vote for her today.
Honestly at this point I'd rather her just claim instead of everyone bickering over the same reasons because her softing has become quite oblivious, but I'll hold on for now.
Besides Panda, I wouldn't be against an f11 lynch, not sure about Zendel/Zefez because I'm still sitting on the fence
Honestly at this point I'd rather her just claim instead of everyone bickering over the same reasons because her softing has become quite oblivious, but I'll hold on for now.
Besides Panda, I wouldn't be against an f11 lynch, not sure about Zendel/Zefez because I'm still sitting on the fence
PandaDarling
Purple People Eater
Guys, I'm here I will post reads and answer all questions and participate when I have time I know it's frustrating I'm not able to do so right away but I'm very busy, just to give you an idea I worked Friday from 9am to 3pm then with a few hours until my next job I have to eat and clean/laundry and I have a husband and dog that need my love and attention and then it's off to my other job which starts at 8:30pm to 3am then it's 4 hours sleep until I'm up at Saturday 7am to work until 3pm and then back to the other job 8:30 to 3 am and then work Sunday 11am to 6pm I know EOD is Sunday night but I will do my best to find time to post. Sorry for the inconvenience.
Hi guys, I feel like an apology and explanation is in order for why I left the site.
I'm sorry for leaving the game when it was ongoing. Don't think I left because of anyone here, no worries needed or anything.
I've been thinking about leaving TBT for a while now because I don't think I should be on here for most of the day anymore and if I tried to lessen my hours on here it wouldn't work, it isn't good for my health and I should be more active in my own life to prevent any further health issues. The site's a distraction and I don't like things to get in the way of what could be amazing, TBT can be amazing but it isn't amazing so I need to leave for something amazing...AMAZING!
I'm giving my departure a trial run, I will be leaving for the rest of the month and if I don't like it, I will come back earlier, I could pop in every now and then but I'm not sure. There's no need to be saying "goodbye forever" because this isn't "goodbye forever", it's a "see you later alligator, not a in a while Crocodile" type of thing. I won't be gone for THAT long either, haha.
I will see you guys later.
Good luck and catch some scum!
I'm sorry for leaving the game when it was ongoing. Don't think I left because of anyone here, no worries needed or anything.
I've been thinking about leaving TBT for a while now because I don't think I should be on here for most of the day anymore and if I tried to lessen my hours on here it wouldn't work, it isn't good for my health and I should be more active in my own life to prevent any further health issues. The site's a distraction and I don't like things to get in the way of what could be amazing, TBT can be amazing but it isn't amazing so I need to leave for something amazing...AMAZING!
I'm giving my departure a trial run, I will be leaving for the rest of the month and if I don't like it, I will come back earlier, I could pop in every now and then but I'm not sure. There's no need to be saying "goodbye forever" because this isn't "goodbye forever", it's a "see you later alligator, not a in a while Crocodile" type of thing. I won't be gone for THAT long either, haha.
I will see you guys later.
Good luck and catch some scum!
Hi guys, I feel like an apology and explanation is in order for why I left the site.
I'm sorry for leaving the game when it was ongoing. Don't think I left because of anyone here, no worries needed or anything.
I've been thinking about leaving TBT for a while now because I don't think I should be on here for most of the day anymore and if I tried to lessen my hours on here it wouldn't work, it isn't good for my health and I should be more active in my own life to prevent any further health issues. The site's a distraction and I don't like things to get in the way of what could be amazing, TBT can be amazing but it isn't amazing so I need to leave for something amazing...AMAZING!
I'm giving my departure a trial run, I will be leaving for the rest of the month and if I don't like it, I will come back earlier, I could pop in every now and then but I'm not sure. There's no need to be saying "goodbye forever" because this isn't "goodbye forever", it's a "see you later alligator, not a in a while Crocodile" type of thing. I won't be gone for THAT long either, haha.
I will see you guys later.
Good luck and catch some scum!
ah that's good too hear! I hope to see you around sometime
I see that Seroja got killed. That's really a shame, she was such a great player.
My thoughts exactly. His leaving only adds to my continuing worry of him being scum. So I can't really continue where I left off with him, I was waiting to see him press Lani. He was reluctant to do this and now he's gone so he won't be able to obviously.
amanda1983
Senior Member
Hi guys, I feel like an apology and explanation is in order for why I left the site.
I'm sorry for leaving the game when it was ongoing. Don't think I left because of anyone here, no worries needed or anything.
I've been thinking about leaving TBT for a while now because I don't think I should be on here for most of the day anymore and if I tried to lessen my hours on here it wouldn't work, it isn't good for my health and I should be more active in my own life to prevent any further health issues. The site's a distraction and I don't like things to get in the way of what could be amazing, TBT can be amazing but it isn't amazing so I need to leave for something amazing...AMAZING!
I'm giving my departure a trial run, I will be leaving for the rest of the month and if I don't like it, I will come back earlier, I could pop in every now and then but I'm not sure. There's no need to be saying "goodbye forever" because this isn't "goodbye forever", it's a "see you later alligator, not a in a while Crocodile" type of thing. I won't be gone for THAT long either, haha.
I will see you guys later.
Good luck and catch some scum!
I'm so glad you're okay and that nothing dreadful caused you to leave the site! I completely understand struggling to find a workable balance between time on here (or any site, really) and other priorities. Good for you for being proactive about dealing with this when you realised it was an issue for you. Hope you enjoy your break, and I look forward to seeing you around whenever you do come back to visit.
I'd love to play more mafia with you, too, just FYI.
Take care
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I've been thinking about this and I'm going to have to disagree. Obviously we have more information now that Zendal came back to explain his departure, but I had reached a different conclusion from those events even prior to his post.
Replacements for roles have been an issue to some extent in the recent games here - I've noticed there has been more effort by hosts and players to seek replacements than when I was playing last year. In fact, the only reason I'm playing is because Toads in particular (though not the only one) had been so persistently seeking players and trying to line up replacements. I was subbed in for tae (eun) before the more usual timeframe in large part to keep the game running with as much activity as possible.
I'm aware the context of the two replacements are different in some respects - mine was for someone who was not active on tbt at all, and Zefez because Zendal asked to be replaced out. But in both cases Toads has acted swiftly to get a replacement in and caise as little disruption to the game as possible. That indicates to me that as a host, he values maintaining the integrity of his planned game setup, with all roles filled, rather than feeling pressed to fill a particular role due to the potential for the game being left unbalanced.
I just wanted to give my thoughts on this, and I won't be speculating on that kind of meta beyond this.
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* ... a replacement in and CAUSE
Replacement timing and w/e is definitely not reliable. Toads is just swift to do so, he's already got one lined up in case Prima doesn't pop up so...
Anyway voting Panda, literally not addressing ANYONE. In the time you were giving us your daily schedule you could've given a few lynch candidates
Anyway voting Panda, literally not addressing ANYONE. In the time you were giving us your daily schedule you could've given a few lynch candidates
