Pokemon atheos? (Region name not Unova?)

[[Nook]]

That's why I liked it, you save the TM for the pokemon you want to use it with, and if you waste it then that's your own stupid fault.

So you'd like to make mistakes possible, instead of mistakes being impossible.
A perfect world have no mistakes.

 

[Jas0n]

So you'd like to make mistakes possible, instead of mistakes being impossible.
A perfect world have no mistakes.

A world with no mistakes would be chaos. Mistakes are to learn from.

 

[Tyeforce]

That's why I liked it, you save the TM for the pokemon you want to use it with, and if you waste it then that's your own stupid fault.

For the average non-competitive Pok?mon gamer, I can see it adding a sense of challenge to the game, but to competitive Pok?mon gamers who actually care about their Pok?mon's movesets, it's ridiculously stupid. Want to teach more than one Pok?mon, say, Water Pulse? Or Iron Tail? Maybe Shockwave? Too bad, because you can only get one per game! I know many people who bought an Action Replay for this very reason. If such important items weren't so hard to obtain, then maybe less people would resort to hacking. The same goes for exclusive Pok?mon. Thankfully, it seems that Game Freak understands this, and is improving the availability of such items and Pok?mon. The Dream World provides a way to get many miscellaneous items and Pok?mon, and now TMs are reusable. And event Pok?mon and items are being distributed not only at exclusive locations, but also via Wi-Fi, so more and more people are able to obtain them.

 

[Jas0n]

For the average non-competitive Pok?mon gamer, I can see it adding a sense of challenge to the game, but to competitive Pok?mon gamers who actually care about their Pok?mon's movesets, it's ridiculously stupid. Want to teach more than one Pok?mon, say, Water Pulse? Or Iron Tail? Maybe Shockwave? Too bad, because you can only get one per game! I know many people who bought an Action Replay for this very reason. If such important items weren't so hard to obtain, then maybe less people would resort to hacking. The same goes for exclusive Pok?mon. Thankfully, it seems that Game Freak understands this, and is improving the availability of such items and Pok?mon. The Dream World provides a way to get many miscellaneous items and Pok?mon, and now TMs are reusable. And event Pok?mon and items are being distributed not only at exclusive locations, but also via Wi-Fi, so more and more people are able to obtain them.

And further making the world a less interesting place.

Things being hard to obtain and one time use is what makes things interesting. It's the basic principle for any game and even life, you work for what you want and when you get it you need to use it wisely. Getting stuff given to you is boring, but hacking exists due to people either being impatient or unwilling to use their rewards wisely.

Hey, in the next generation of pokemon let's just start the trainers off with their legendary pokemon at level 50 while all the other trainers still have level 1 pokemon. That'll get rid of the rare candy and pokemon hacking too!

 

[[Nook]]

And further making the world a less interesting place.

Things being hard to obtain and one time use is what makes things interesting. It's the basic principle for any game and even life, you work for what you want and when you get it you need to use it wisely. Getting stuff given to you is boring, but hacking exists due to people either being impatient or unwilling to use their rewards wisely.

Hey, in the next generation of pokemon let's just start the trainers off with their legendary pokemon at level 50 while all the other trainers still have level 1 pokemon. That'll get rid of the rare candy and pokemon hacking too!

A TM is a machine.
(or is it a disk?)
Either way, when you use a machine (or DVD) that teaches you something, does it come out of use?
After you've trained with your fitness DVD, does it never work again?
When you've turned off a TV, does it suddenly break down?

In terms of technology and sense, of course.

 

[Jas0n]

A TM is a machine.
(or is it a disk?)
Either way, when you use a machine (or DVD) that teaches you something, does it come out of use?
After you've trained with your fitness DVD, does it never work again?
When you've turned off a TV, does it suddenly break down?

In terms of technology and sense, of course.

So you're trying to make pokemon make sense? Where do you propose you insert the TM then, in the pokemon's ass?

 

[Tyeforce]

And further making the world a less interesting place.

Things being hard to obtain and one time use is what makes things interesting. It's the basic principle for any game and even life, you work for what you want and when you get it you need to use it wisely. Getting stuff given to you is boring, but hacking exists due to people either being impatient or unwilling to use their rewards wisely.

Hey, in the next generation of pokemon let's just start the trainers off with their legendary pokemon at level 50 while all the other trainers still have level 1 pokemon. That'll get rid of the rare candy and pokemon hacking too!

Now you're just over exaggerating things. >_> First of all, making TMs reusable isn't just giving them to you. You still have to find, buy, or win them. And even then, it's not like it ruins the game or makes it any easier. Most people don't even know the best moves to teach their Pok?mon, they just teach them what they think is cool or powerful. If you don't have a strategy, your Pok?mon aren't going to be very good. You might be able to be the story of the game, sure, but you'll be no match for the metagame, which is where Pok?mon really shines.

Also, Pok?mon isn't life. It's a video game. If video games were like life, I wouldn't play them. Even Animal Crossing, a life simulation game, is more of a video game than it is real life.

 

[Entei Slider]

Only on TBT does a region name change turn into a debate about TM's....

Anyway ontopic:...HAHAHAH,really thinkin' the suddleness (spelling may be off) of the region name changes through aren't they!

 

[Jas0n]

Now you're just over exaggerating things. >_> First of all, making TMs reusable isn't just giving them to you. You still have to find, buy, or win them. And even then, it's not like it ruins the game or makes it any easier. Most people don't even know the best moves to teach their Pok?mon, they just teach them what they think is cool or powerful. If you don't have a strategy, your Pok?mon aren't going to be very good. You might be able to be the story of the game, sure, but you'll be no match for the metagame, which is where Pok?mon really shines.

Also, Pok?mon isn't life. It's a video game. If video games were like life, I wouldn't play them. Even Animal Crossing, a life simulation game, is more of a video game than it is real life.

They're as good as giving them to you, I assume most of them you buy considering the game's corner no longer exists. Exaggeration is just a form of getting my point across, and it clearly works.

 

[ShadoMaster]

This thread keeps taking over my rumble fighter thread >.< How else am i supposed to get ppl to notice?
@topic Poor Europe lol... some greek like name

 

[Tyeforce]

They're as good as giving them to you, I assume most of them you buy considering the game's corner no longer exists. Exaggeration is just a form of getting my point across, and it clearly works.

Even so, what does it matter? It's not like it'll make your skills as a trainer any better. It'll only make things a hell of a lot easier for serious Pok?mon gamers, as well as cutting down the temptation to hack. And don't compare that to people who hack to get infinite Rare Candies and Master Balls or hack to get legendary or shiny Pok?mon, because that's very a very different thing. People who do that are just impatient and don't really care about the challenge of the game, anyway. And they're certainly not serious Pok?mon gamers, because even if they wanted to battle people or participate in tournaments, no one would battle them and they'd be disqualified from tournaments if they used their hacked Pok?mon. But I'll admit, back in Pok?mon Diamond, I used an Action Replay to get infinite TMs, berries, and hold items, because it's so ridiculously impossible to get enough of the items that you need for competitive play. And I'm not alone, because many competitive Pok?mon gamers do that, too. I don't do it anymore, but I'm sure glad that Black and White made it so I don't have to resort to that.

 

[Jas0n]

Even so, what does it matter? It's not like it'll make your skills as a trainer any better. It'll only make things a hell of a lot easier for serious Pok?mon gamers, as well as cutting down the temptation to hack. And don't compare that to people who hack to get infinite Rare Candies and Master Balls or hack to get legendary or shiny Pok?mon, because that's very a very different thing. People who do that are just impatient and don't really care about the challenge of the game, anyway. And they're certainly not serious Pok?mon gamers, because even if they wanted to battle people or participate in tournaments, no one would battle them and they'd be disqualified from tournaments if they used their hacked Pok?mon. But I'll admit, back in Pok?mon Diamond, I used an Action Replay to get infinite TMs, berries, and hold items, because it's so ridiculously impossible to get enough of the items that you need for competitive play. And I'm not alone, because many competitive Pok?mon gamers do that, too. I don't do it anymore, but I'm sure glad that Black and White made it so I don't have to resort to that.

Anyone that hacks, regardless of how easy it is to get something or whether or not you're restricted is cheating. The game is set a specific way, that specific way being that only one of your pokemon can ever learn this specific move. If you cheat, you are breaking that and I personally wouldn't battle you online.

As you've said, pokemon black and white removes the restrictions so people don't resort to this kind of hacking, but that doesn't change the fact that I prefer it the way it was. It gives a lot more diversity and strategy to the game, making you think about where you want to use specific TMs so you don't waste them. Now people will simply choose the most powerful TMs they can possibly get.

 

[Tyeforce]

Anyone that hacks, regardless of how easy it is to get something or whether or not you're restricted is cheating. The game is set a specific way, that specific way being that only one of your pokemon can ever learn this specific move. If you cheat, you are breaking that and I personally wouldn't battle you online.

As you've said, pokemon black and white removes the restrictions so people don't resort to this kind of hacking, but that doesn't change the fact that I prefer it the way it was. It gives a lot more diversity and strategy to the game, making you think about where you want to use specific TMs so you don't waste them. Now people will simply choose the most powerful TMs they can possibly get.

I prefer playing the games the way they're meant to be played, too, but Pok?mon put me in an odd situation. If I played normally and didn't hack any items, then it would be near impossible for me to have a team of Pok?mon good enough to go against the best, because, as unfortunate as it is, many of the best hack items. But many don't, too. Back then I didn't realize that I could transfer TMs to other Pok?mon via breeding. Still, that is very time consuming and difficult, especially if you're trying to breed Pok?mon with specific Abilities and/or Natures at the same time. You have to have all the time in the world to raise the best Pok?mon without resorting to hacking in any way, shape, or form. At least Black and White is trying to turn that around a bit.

And if you really don't want to use a TM more than once...then don't? No one is forcing you to.

 

[[Nook]]

So you're trying to make pokemon make sense? Where do you propose you insert the TM then, in the pokemon's ass?

I was thinking it's a TV, where you insert a disk and it shows a video on how to use that move.
Or it could be a machine that brainwashes the Pokemon, making it learn the move in the process.

If brainwashing, mind reading, and extremely powerful technology makes sense in the Pokemon world, I guess this would make sense.

@Entei Slider

 

[Vex L'Cour]

I prefer playing the games the way they're meant to be played, too, but Pok?mon put me in an odd situation. If I played normally and didn't hack any items, then it would be near impossible for me to have a team of Pok?mon good enough to go against the best, because, as unfortunate as it is, many of the best hack items. But many don't, too. Back then I didn't realize that I could transfer TMs to other Pok?mon via breeding. Still, that is very time consuming and difficult, especially if you're trying to breed Pok?mon with specific Abilities and/or Natures at the same time. You have to have all the time in the world to raise the best Pok?mon without resorting to hacking in any way, shape, or form. At least Black and White is trying to turn that around a bit.

And if you really don't want to use a TM more than once...then don't? No one is forcing you to.

Gambling on Pok?mon was entertaining.


Plus I could watch a clefairy dance.