POKEFAB's D/P Breeding Breakthrough Topic

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Well, since there is no way in hell I'm going to be active on the NSider for this, I've chosen here. Here on this topic I'll keep you all updated on what I'm trying (But not what I've discovered..), etc. And it'll all lead up to the eventual release of the guide (Which promises to be one of my best.) here on this post.

Here you can also give me some ideas/suggestions on what to try in the newest D/P Breed tests. I appreciate any help I can get, and you'll be thanked in the guide. I'll also be releasing my guide to communities such as IGN, GameFAQS, CheatCC, etc. If you have any other websites, whether it be yours or someone else's, I'll try and submit the guide to as many places as possible.

But what is my Breeding Breakthrough guide all about? In my previous guide, located here, I played around with the idea of manipulating stats of babies you get to eventually make the ultimate baby. In the D/P version, I'll do the same, along with many other tests.


Updates:
05/15/07- Testing commences
05/27/07- Guide writing commences
05/29/07- Guide released
 
IV's (Individual Values) determine how strong you Pokemon will get once it reaches its maximum potential, level 100. They are what make each Pokemon unique.
 
Fabio said:
IV's (Individual Values) determine how strong you Pokemon will get once it reaches its maximum potential, level 100. They are what make each Pokemon unique.
BAh. I never train to 10, so I guess that wont effect me right now
 
But, they can also affect level 30 battles. Let's say you have two level 30 Pikachus, each with the same Nature, moves, gender. But, depending on the IVs of each, one will always clearly be the victor, no matter the trainer controlling it.
 
Fabio said:
But, they can also affect level 30 battles. Let's say you have two level 30 Pikachus, each with the same Nature, moves, gender. But, depending on the IVs of each, one will always clearly be the victor, no matter the trainer controlling it.
Eh....I'll keep that in mind when I breed a beast team.
 
Well, yesterday I started on the actual guide, with all the details and whatnot, and it is turning out wonderful. I'm still open for some testing suggestions, but otherwise, I just need to write the guide, tidy it up, and I'll release my research.
 
Fabio said:
But, they can also affect level 30 battles. Let's say you have two level 30 Pikachus, each with the same Nature, moves, gender. But, depending on the IVs of each, one will always clearly be the victor, no matter the trainer controlling it.
The chances of that happening are 1 in 1,282,923,752,668,998,693,454,830.

I thought Iv's only affect HP.
 
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SURPRISE! I discovered a BIT more during this process, but it deserves another guide.

Guys, please read the entire thing. If you're serious about being a good battler, if you want to dominate WiFi and impress your friends, this is a must read. It can be confusing, but once you get the basic idea down, you can literally CONTROL your babies, and eventually make them almost unstoppable.


POKEFAB's D/P Breeding Breakthrough


Table of Contents
I: Introduction
II: The Idea
III: Manipulation
IV: Uses
V: Conclusion



I: Introduction
Hello, and welcome to my D/P Breeding Breakthrough guide. Let me start off with a warning: this guide is a long read and not for the casual Pokemon player, although I do suggest everyone read it. Most of this information will be only of use to competitive Pokemon battlers. There was dozens of long, hard hours put into this guide, and I hope we can all use this information to our advantage, and maybe see the deeper side to Pokemon breeding. If you have any suggestions, comments, complaints, etc., please either PM me or e-mail me at fabiobiancarelli@yahoo.com. Thanks for reading.


II: The Idea
What is this guide about? We all know how to breed, right? Two of the same Pokemon, each different genders, and you get a level 5 Pokemon inheriting some of the parents' genes. And that's it, right? Wrong. This guide is to show you my delve into the world unknown. A world of Pokemon breeding where genetics can be modified, the Pokemon genome can be changed around to create an ultimate baby, the process of the Pokemon birth can be manipulated itself.


III: Manipulation
And with that, I'll begin my first tests of the guide; manipulation. In my R/S/E guide, I discovered that the Nature, IVs, and Ability of a baby can be determined and changed at will. This part of the guide always takes the most time, totalling up to hundreds of eggs. In this section, I'll try to manipulate those stats in D/P as I did before, and some new ones too.

So here I have two Ponyta.


Male:
Level 18
Impish Nature
HP: 47
Attack: 41
Defense: 30
Sp. Attack: 27
Sp. Defense: 31
Speed: 41

Tackle
Growl
Tail Whip
Ember

Flash Fire

Proud of its power.
Likes Sour food.


Female:
Level 19
Quirky Nature
HP: 52
Attack: 40
Defense: 30
Sp. Attack: 35
Sp. Defense: 29
Speed: 44

Growl
Tail Whip
Ember
Stomp

Run Away

Mischievous.
Happily eats anything.


Now, here are the ideal conditions I'm looking for:

-Male
-Good IVs
-Will eat anything
-Flash Fire
-Proud of power
-Impish Nature

I rode my bike six steps from the Daycare Man in Solaceon. (An amazing spot, you can get in around 300 steps in one back/forth trip.) Also, remember that having a Pokemon with Magma Armor or Flame Body cuts the steps needed to hatch an egg in half. I grabbed the egg from the man, rode around again and hatched it.

Baby 1:

Male:
Level 1
Hardy Nature
HP: 12
Attack: 7
Defense: 6
Sp. Attack: 6
Sp. Defense: 6
Speed: 7

Tackle
Growl
Tail Whip
Ember

Run Away

Proud of its power.
Happily eats anything.


So by this we can see that without doing anything, I luckily got both the 'Proud of its power' and 'Happily eats anything' stats I wanted. More than decent IVs are also there. But, I did not get the Ability Flash Fire that I wanted. I also did not get the Impish Nature I wanted. So all together I got 4/6 things I wanted with this baby, which is a solid 67%.

By this time the Daycare Man had another egg ready for me. But before I talked to him and grabbed the egg, I saved. These two babies will be totally different, unless Lady Luck interferes. What I am trying to do is save in front of the man, and if the baby is good, I can go back to my save point, (Without saving), grab the egg again, and hatch the 'same' baby hoping for the same stats, but better.

I grabbed the second egg and hatched it.


Baby 2:

Male:
Naughty Nature
HP: 12
Attack: 6
Defense: 6
Sp. Attack: 6
Sp. Defense: 5
Speed: 6

Tackle
Growl
Tail Whip
Ember

Flash Fire

Somewhat stubborn.
Likes spicy food.


I then reset and hatched the 'same' baby.


Baby 3:

Male:
Naughty Nature
HP: 12
Attack: 7
Defense: 6
Sp. Attack: 6
Sp. Defense: 5
Speed: 7

Tackle
Growl
Tail Whip
Ember

Flash Fire

Mischievous.
Likes spicy food.

We see that the gender, nature, moveset, ability, and preffered food was set before I took the egg from the man. IVs and personality were random, but the IVs stayed in the above 5 range.


Around 50 eggs later, I came to this conclusion:

Like R/S/E, everything but the IVs and (New to the Pokemon series) personality are random. This means that you could hatch a baby, like it's Ability, gender, etc., but not its IVs, and 're-hatch' it hoping for better IVs. Ultimate babies are possible in D/P, as they were in the previous generation.

But with this new generation comes new manipulation possibilities. I tested many things, including hatching eggs at night vs. hatching them during the day, where I hatched them, etc. But what intrigued me most about the Ponyta babies I hatched was the two new stats, the personality and preffered food.

The preffered food stayed the same in the 'same' baby, but the personality proved to be random. The food a Pokemon preffers can alter how it evolves, so I set out to see if that could be manipulated as well.

My first test was seeing if two parents who liked the same type of food will create a baby that likes the same food 100% of the time.

I took two parents who both happily ate anything. I grabbed then hatched the egg.

Baby 1:
Often lost in thought.
Happily eats anything.

So with this first baby it seems as if my hypothesis was correct. Next, I saved before taking the egg, so I could 're-hatch' it.

Baby 2:
Somewhat vain.
Happily eats anything.

My hypothesis seems to be correct again, while the personality stays random. I restarted and re-hatched the baby.

Baby 3:
Somewhat stubborn.
Happily eats anything.

I did this 10 more times, and I finally arrived with this conclusion: If two parents like the same food, the baby also will 100% of the time.

My next test was to see how a baby would turn out with two parents who like different foods. The two parents were:

Male:
Likes dry food.

Female:
Happily eats anything.

I rode around, grabbed the egg, and hatched the baby.

Baby 1:
Likes dry food.

So the first baby liked dry food, like its father. I grabbed another egg and hatched it.

Baby 2:
Happily eats anything.

I hatched around 10 more babies, and it seemed as if the baby would inherit one of the traits, but it would be at random.

So it turns out that breeding in D/P (or at least with personality and preffered food) has an obvious turnout.


And just in case you are lost, let's review:

-A baby's gender, ability, moveset, nature, and preffered food are set BEFORE taking the egg from the old man, but the personality and IVs are random.
-If a baby's parents like the same food, the baby has a 100% chance of liking it, too, while if the baby's parents like different foods, the baby has a random chance of liking either one.
-A baby's personality is totally random.


IV: Uses
So you're probably wondering; how can I use all this mumbo-jumbo? Well, if you want to seriously use this information to it's potential, if you want to basically make super-babies, dominate WiFi and impress your friends, simply follow these steps. I put it together in a way that's easy to follow, and I have another version for those of you who are more serious. If you are one of the VERY serious ones, I suggest you read the guide again and get the process down.

For the casual battler:
1: First, find two Pokemon (male & female) that you want a baby of. If you want any special traits that the baby will inherit, such as preffered food, you'll want to check your Dex and catch another with those traits.
2: Breed the two.
3: BEFORE taking the egg, SAVE in front of the man.
4: Take the egg and hatch it.
5: Check it's stats, and if you like the traits (gender, ability, etc.), but not the IVs, restart without saving, grab the egg and re-hatch it.
6: Repeat.

If you get the ultra-baby you want, you can try for another ultra-baby of the opposite sex, and breed them, to make an even better baby.


For the hard-core battler:
1: Find two Pokemon of opposite sex, same species, with all traits you prefer.
2: Breed the two.
3: BEFORE taking the egg, SAVE in front of the man.
4: Take the egg and hatch it.
5: Check it's IVs. (If both parents have preffered traits, you should have them all.) If you'd like them in the 60-70 percentile, try hatching three more of the 'same' babies. Usually each will stay in the same area, but either slightly higher or lower. Afterwords try hatching 3 more 'different' babies and 're-hatch' them as you did with the first.
6: Get a male and female ultra-baby and breed them.
7: Repeat steps 3-5 for best results.

Once you get the hang of the process, you'll find that you can modify your babies for contests, types of battles, evolution, and more. It just takes a lot of time, practice, and understanding of the game's mechanics.


V: Conclusion
I hope you enjoyed my study on Pokemon Diamond and Pearl's breeding mechanics. Although all of this might seem confusing, re-read the guide, do a few test babies, and in no time you'll be breeding like a pro. I'll admit, when I first found this in R/S/E, I thought it was as complex as it gets. But with the addition of new traits in D/P, it provides some interesting new breeding opportunities. Thanks for reading, and I'll see you next time. For now, this has been Dr. Love. (AKA Fabio Biancarelli, POKEFAB.)

Questions, comments, suggestions? PM me or e-mail me at fabiobiancarelli@yahoo.com.
 
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<small><small><small><small><small><small><small><small>*doesn't know what IV's are...</small></small></small></small></small></small></small></small>
 
Not half bad. I got a little confused at some points but I think I get the basics down.
 
I never mentioned what IVs were because people who are reading this guide are generally Pokebreed-apt. I know a lot of you will get confuzzled, but I expected that.
 
Fabio said:
I never mentioned what IVs were because people who are reading this guide are generally Pokebreed-apt.
I understand it, I'm just not going to use it yet, because I'm not competitive and I don't really care about IVs at this point.
 
Fabio said:
I never mentioned what IVs were because people who are reading this guide are generally Pokebreed-apt. I know a lot of you will get confuzzled, but I expected that.
Well, just put it anyways.


;)
 
YogurtBandit said:
Fabio said:
I never mentioned what IVs were because people who are reading this guide are generally Pokebreed-apt. I know a lot of you will get confuzzled, but I expected that.
Well, just put it anyways.


;)
if you want to know what they are, look somewhere else... most of the people that will use this will already know what they are.



Anyway, I thought that hatched pokemon were level 1? It says level 5 in your guide... but I remember hatching a pokemon, and it was at level 1..
 
ZELDAFREAK104 said:
YogurtBandit said:
Fabio said:
I never mentioned what IVs were because people who are reading this guide are generally Pokebreed-apt. I know a lot of you will get confuzzled, but I expected that.
Well, just put it anyways.


;)
if you want to know what they are, look somewhere else... most of the people that will use this will already know what they are.



Anyway, I thought that hatched pokemon were level 1? It says level 5 in your guide... but I remember hatching a pokemon, and it was at level 1..
About the level 5 thing, he's remebering that from R/S/E.
 
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