I'd rather have my taxes invested in saving lives than used for the army which kills people in wars. Funny how I'm seeing people complain about the first thing but not the second one.
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visibleghost
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not everyone is in ur situation.
obviously society needs people to work like im not saying people shouldnt work But everyone deserves to be able to live and get stuff like healthcare and education. those are basic things that everyone should have.
youre talking about an ideal society where everyone would be able to suppoet themselves at all times. real life isn't like that, people get sick, get into bad situations (that may or may not be caused by their stupid decisions but people still deserve to live), have their house burn down, get fired from their jpb and not being able to find a new one and so on.
that's when we need society and a social safety net.
For the third time now, investing in a charitable non-profit organization is better for the ones in need than government subsidized healthcare because those donating money have control over what their money goes towards. As a donor, you can ensure that the charity you're funding works their asses off to help those in need (if they don't, you fund a charity that will).
You have no say in where your money goes when the government forces you to pay into a healthcare system, and a portion of the money taken from you will always go to paying government employees whose jobs should be left to charities in the first place. When you fund a charity, ALL of the money goes towards their cause.
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Stopping at respecting opinions isn't very productive, though. I understand that talking to someone with a completely different opinion than yours can feel like talking to a brick wall, but debating issues is a good thing.
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visibleghost
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hhhh but the government exists to make sure everyone has their rights and everyone is doing okiedokie. charities shouldnt do the work of the government.
this is kinda what im talking about
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rights-based_approach_to_development
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like, makinh sure that there is a government funded and regulatibg system is better than to rely on charities
Healthcare is none of the government's business in my opinion. I can understand temporarily providing benefits for people that are down on their luck or people that are sick to the point they can't work, but as far as the average working individual, they should be responsible for themselves. Maybe you're just for bigger government and services made "free" by stealing from citizens, but I'm for limited government interference in peoples' lives.
I think the government should handle the military because the protect us all from foreign invasion, maintenance of the roadways we all drive on, maintenance of the land we all live on, management of things like prescription drugs made available to citizens (only when it comes to preventing drugs with life threatening side effects from entering the market), enacting laws (when voted on by citizens) and maybe a few other things that haven't come to mind just yet.
I think the government should handle the military because the protect us all from foreign invasion, maintenance of the roadways we all drive on, maintenance of the land we all live on, management of things like prescription drugs made available to citizens (only when it comes to preventing drugs with life threatening side effects from entering the market), enacting laws (when voted on by citizens) and maybe a few other things that haven't come to mind just yet.
visibleghost
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Anyways im glad i live in sweden where people dont have to choose between dying or being in debt for the rest of eternity when u get sick /:
I'm fortunate to live in a wonderful country where health care is covered. I've never paid to see a doctor, have a surgery, or take life-saving medications. I'm really proud that I'm training to be part of this health care system and I honestly wouldn't be able to sleep at night if I became a doctor in the US knowing that my patients had to choose between things like housing and food and their health.
I personally lost my mom to cancer and our family didn't pay a dime for her 3 years or so of treatment. It would have bankrupted us and put us in a situation where I wouldn't have been able to live in a nice neighbourhood, go to a good school, and end up 2 years into medical school debt-free due to never having to support my family financially. Everyone, rich or poor, deserves the kind of access that we get.
I personally lost my mom to cancer and our family didn't pay a dime for her 3 years or so of treatment. It would have bankrupted us and put us in a situation where I wouldn't have been able to live in a nice neighbourhood, go to a good school, and end up 2 years into medical school debt-free due to never having to support my family financially. Everyone, rich or poor, deserves the kind of access that we get.
I agree, personally. Health care should not be taken care of by the government. That's where corruption happens.
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Ghost Soda
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Boy howdy, I love living in a world where people will defend using people's tax money to kill people but will object to using any of that money to save people in need. ((
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A lot of people here would rather vote against their own interests simply because they buy into the fear mongering spewed by their government and politicians.
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Boy howdy, I love living in a world where people will defend using people's tax money to kill people but will object to using any of that money to save people in need. ((
Exactly
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Who needs health insurance when u can see a local witch doctor from craigslist
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U.S. and the Obama administration invaded Libya and ovethrew the government and its a chaotic war ridden wasteland now. Trump refuses to withdraw troops from afghanistan and continues to fund the Saudi blockade that has created the largest famine of this century in Yemen, and violates international law.
The U.S. military has also infamously killed tens of thousands of civilians. The U.S. military is not here to protect you. Its a corrupt imperialistic war machine.
Healthcare would save many more lives than any bombing, and is far cheaper and less of a burden on our budget. Taxpayers fund over 50% of all military spending in the ENTIRE WORLD. I dont know how this is even a question.
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"Saving lives". The U.S. military is corrupt and the regime change wars we fight in are to expand our influence and to get cheaper oil to fuel more wars. Raytheon and other contractors donate massive ammounts to their crony politician friends to vote for wars that will make them more money.
U.S. and the Obama administration invaded Libya and ovethrew the government and its a chaotic war ridden wasteland now. Trump refuses to withdraw troops from afghanistan and continues to fund the Saudi blockade that has created the largest famine of this century in Yemen, and violates international law.
The U.S. military has also infamously killed tens of thousands of civilians. The U.S. military is not here to protect you. Its a corrupt imperialistic war machine.
Healthcare would save many more lives than any bombing, and is far cheaper and less of a burden on our budget. Taxpayers fund over 50% of all military spending in the ENTIRE WORLD. I dont know how this is even a question.
I have health insurance thanks to family.
I don’t know why this thread was bumped, but OOF, a lot of replies on this thread seem to be people only wanting to see things from their perspective.
I’ll just leave this here and quote it again since it’s relevant for this thread.
"There's always room for folks to grow and change, ain't there? And, if ya only go after what ya think is right, ya might end up rejectin' all thoughts and opinions other than yer own. That's mighty dangerous." - Clay from Pokemon Black 2/White 2
Peace.
I don’t know why this thread was bumped, but OOF, a lot of replies on this thread seem to be people only wanting to see things from their perspective.
I’ll just leave this here and quote it again since it’s relevant for this thread.
"There's always room for folks to grow and change, ain't there? And, if ya only go after what ya think is right, ya might end up rejectin' all thoughts and opinions other than yer own. That's mighty dangerous." - Clay from Pokemon Black 2/White 2
Peace.
visibleghost
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you put a lot of time and money into your house so it needs insurance, but your actual body, health and life, which you put way more time and money on keeping alive, somehow aren't as important..? i fail to see how this makes sense.
and healthcare doesn't have to be a business, there are many places outside of the usa where it isn't and it works well.
Okay, but you know that post you responded to is two years old right?
Healthcare is something that I'm actually pretty passionate about due to my family's past experiences. When I was 10, my mom was diagnosed with a rare heart condition. She needed surgery to save her life and luckily my dad had insurance for all of us. After paying the deductible, the insurance covered the rest of her surgery and immediate medical costs. But the next year, they hiked our rates up so high that my dad couldn't afford to keep the insurance.
My dad was self-employed and we weren't rich but we had money for everything we needed and then some. We had a two-story house in a nice neighborhood, went to nice schools, had 2 vehicles. We weren't hurting for money, but the rates the insurance company wanted to charge were astronomical. My dad shopped around, but he couldn't get insurance anywhere else for my mom because she now had a pre-existing condition. He had no choice but to drop the insurance.
Unfortunately, my mom's condition was lifelong. She needed medicine and frequent doctor visits and anytime her chest hurt he had to take her to the emergency room for tests if it was after hours because she could require immediate attention. He tried his best to keep up with her medical bills. We sold our home and moved into a small apartment. We pared down everything that wasn't necessary. Still, he couldn't afford the costs. After two years, we were forced into bankruptcy.
But it didn't end there. The bankruptcy cleared the current debt, but my mom's condition was never going to go away. The bills piled up all over again. After waiting the required amount of time from the 1st bankruptcy, my dad had to claim bankruptcy a second time. At that point, he realized that something needed to be done or this would become an endless cycle, so he and my mom divorced. By getting legally divorced, my mom could qualify for Medicaid and they could finally start to build their lives again.
They never did fully recover financially, but my dad was able to retire when his health because poor as well. They scrape by with the help of Medicare now, but they still have to pay a lot for certain things that Medicare doesn't cover. They have spent thousands of dollars out of their own pocket for things like dental work and hearing aids.
I have employer-sponsored healthcare, so as long as I can keep my job, my husband and I are covered. Granted, we have a huge deductible that we could probably never afford to pay, so I don't exactly consider us to be in good shape if we were to need the insurance for something major.
I've worked in the insurance industry for almost 20 years now and I feel like I have fairly decent insight into the private insurance business in the US. They only care about profits. That's the bottom line. I sit in meetings regularly where people discuss raising rates by 100%, 150%, or more like it's nothing. They have no concern for the person paying for that insurance and their needs. It's all about making money to them. Private insurance will not protect us when we truly need it.
In my opinion, we absolutely need some sort of universal or national healthcare system. I'm not going into the details, but there are many ways to make it work. There are so many other countries with systems that work well and we have the opportunity to use the best parts of their systems and avoid the pitfalls. I just don't want to see any other family lose as much as my family did.
My dad was self-employed and we weren't rich but we had money for everything we needed and then some. We had a two-story house in a nice neighborhood, went to nice schools, had 2 vehicles. We weren't hurting for money, but the rates the insurance company wanted to charge were astronomical. My dad shopped around, but he couldn't get insurance anywhere else for my mom because she now had a pre-existing condition. He had no choice but to drop the insurance.
Unfortunately, my mom's condition was lifelong. She needed medicine and frequent doctor visits and anytime her chest hurt he had to take her to the emergency room for tests if it was after hours because she could require immediate attention. He tried his best to keep up with her medical bills. We sold our home and moved into a small apartment. We pared down everything that wasn't necessary. Still, he couldn't afford the costs. After two years, we were forced into bankruptcy.
But it didn't end there. The bankruptcy cleared the current debt, but my mom's condition was never going to go away. The bills piled up all over again. After waiting the required amount of time from the 1st bankruptcy, my dad had to claim bankruptcy a second time. At that point, he realized that something needed to be done or this would become an endless cycle, so he and my mom divorced. By getting legally divorced, my mom could qualify for Medicaid and they could finally start to build their lives again.
They never did fully recover financially, but my dad was able to retire when his health because poor as well. They scrape by with the help of Medicare now, but they still have to pay a lot for certain things that Medicare doesn't cover. They have spent thousands of dollars out of their own pocket for things like dental work and hearing aids.
I have employer-sponsored healthcare, so as long as I can keep my job, my husband and I are covered. Granted, we have a huge deductible that we could probably never afford to pay, so I don't exactly consider us to be in good shape if we were to need the insurance for something major.
I've worked in the insurance industry for almost 20 years now and I feel like I have fairly decent insight into the private insurance business in the US. They only care about profits. That's the bottom line. I sit in meetings regularly where people discuss raising rates by 100%, 150%, or more like it's nothing. They have no concern for the person paying for that insurance and their needs. It's all about making money to them. Private insurance will not protect us when we truly need it.
In my opinion, we absolutely need some sort of universal or national healthcare system. I'm not going into the details, but there are many ways to make it work. There are so many other countries with systems that work well and we have the opportunity to use the best parts of their systems and avoid the pitfalls. I just don't want to see any other family lose as much as my family did.
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I don't have any healthcare/insurance because I am way to poor to afford it. Simple as that!
I am able to get health insurance throu my job, but I don't make alot of money as it is. There's a car commercial on the radio that says 'if you make 400 a week we'll approve you even with bad credit' and I find it SO astonishing that people actually make 400 a week and that to be considered 'okay enough'. On average I'll make ?th of that, maybe half on a good week.
I am able to get health insurance throu my job, but I don't make alot of money as it is. There's a car commercial on the radio that says 'if you make 400 a week we'll approve you even with bad credit' and I find it SO astonishing that people actually make 400 a week and that to be considered 'okay enough'. On average I'll make ?th of that, maybe half on a good week.
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I live in France! So we pay just like a little bit of our health needs.
I saw just a couple days ago that French people paid 7? out of 100? of health needs.
It's very helpful and I'm glad we have this!
I saw just a couple days ago that French people paid 7? out of 100? of health needs.
It's very helpful and I'm glad we have this!
