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True, but don't you think he would've at least waited for the game to end? I believe that his reasons for leaving are true, I just think that the stress from the game might have been the thing that ticked him off. If he was really planning to leave from before, why would he commit to a mafia game just before? It just all seems odd to me. There's been so many scum tells so far, I'm surprised no one's more concerned.
Anyways, I think I'm gonna go ahead and vote Panda. I've explained why in my reads if anyone is wondering, but I think it's quite obvious. I may later change my vote to Zendel/ZeFeZe depending on his actions today.
Okay so I fell asleep in the middle of doing my read on Nightmares. Whoops!
On to your regularly scheduled programming...
Nightmares
The second part of the post (about Zendel) is a lot more sound than the first part, and is a very proactive argument to make this early into the game. Based on the part of the quote in parentheses, it seems like Nightmares has improved quite a bit, and is showing greater Town attributes, even if activity may still be an issue down the line.
The second line seems a lot like confirmation bias to me. Her own play-style is changing from her past games, but that should not give her a go-ahead to not suspect other people when it turns out that their play-style has also been changing.
For the third line, I think it's fair not to write bigger paragraphs about situations, especially with the nature of the game on this site. Nothing really wrong here.
The fourth line goes directly back to my point on the second line above.
Kind of the same thing with the fifth line, though I'm not sure what Nightmares is questioning at this point.
The second post seems to now cling onto the opinions of others, which is in stark contrast to how she did things before. Though, a lot has happened between this post and her last, so I do suppose that it at least makes a little sense that this happened.
I don't think I need to go over the reads individually to say that a lot of effort was put into them, and that's definitely great for the time ahead. Whether they're accurate reads or not, I think it's too early to tell, but I do like the effort put forth in this.
OVERALL ASSESSMENT: Town-Leaning - Though her recent change in her play has shown more compliance to what other people are saying, I still believe that, with a bit more polish, she can become a Town leader, should the situation arise. She's not quite over that hump yet, and activity is definitely an issue, but she's showing good signs of becoming a much better player right now.
Okay, that's #2 down. Next up on my list is mogyay.
On to your regularly scheduled programming...
Nightmares
The first part of this post seems to point toward the fact that Nightmares is willing to voice her opinions, though her explanations for said opinions seem a bit flimsy. It's a good starting point, though.
The second part of the post (about Zendel) is a lot more sound than the first part, and is a very proactive argument to make this early into the game. Based on the part of the quote in parentheses, it seems like Nightmares has improved quite a bit, and is showing greater Town attributes, even if activity may still be an issue down the line.
This post is all over the place compared to her last one. The first line is a relatively quick assumption, but that's underneath the flavor meta, so I'm not going to dive into that.
The second line seems a lot like confirmation bias to me. Her own play-style is changing from her past games, but that should not give her a go-ahead to not suspect other people when it turns out that their play-style has also been changing.
For the third line, I think it's fair not to write bigger paragraphs about situations, especially with the nature of the game on this site. Nothing really wrong here.
The fourth line goes directly back to my point on the second line above.
Kind of the same thing with the fifth line, though I'm not sure what Nightmares is questioning at this point.
Normally I'll lay into people a bit more for making remarks like "wtf are you on" toward somebody in a game, but this is a more unique situation in which it's in retaliation to the same exact remark. Nightmares is clearly shown here to be more aware of the game than people may give her credit for, and with this point made to Apple (who is still a great contributor to the Town), I think Nightmares can be easily seen as capable in her own right, and able to potentially take up a role as Town leader, should the situation arise. The only thing to fix at that point would be activity issues, but that's a completely different issue to tackle.
First part basically goes back to a post from earlier, so the only thing I'll say on that is that it's kind of strange to go back on it, when at this point, f11 has gotten more pressure, which would allow her to potentially find more new information to add onto her reasoning to vote for f11. I don't really like it, and I think that this argument has been somewhat invalidated at this point in the game.I won't have Internet for a while, so I'm choosing to vote now
I've gone for f11 because her attitude towards the game is strange - idk if she's acting so relaxed because she's town, or that's how she's attempting to come across...to steer us away from sussing her? Or she could just play like this normally lmao
I'm pretty sure she's the one who has had a lot of praise for her mafia skills throughout the community?? And it seems weird that this would be her usual play style....so I feel like something is up
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However, I may change my vote to Panda if I have time later.... her aggressiveness and reliance on everyone else to make the thread active is weird
Idk
The second post seems to now cling onto the opinions of others, which is in stark contrast to how she did things before. Though, a lot has happened between this post and her last, so I do suppose that it at least makes a little sense that this happened.
I agree with the idea of at least getting somebody to vote for on Day 1, but I don't like the way she says this. It just kind of seems like an easy way to push an implicit lynch on somebody which can influence others to jump on a voting train. Maybe I'm looking too deep into it, though.
The biggest takeaway from this interaction is that scum-reads can easily be made and changed throughout the game, so this should be a non-issue. Nightmares' response to this seems pretty neutral to me (not in a "third-party-leaning" kind of way, though).
OVERALL ASSESSMENT: Town-Leaning - Though her recent change in her play has shown more compliance to what other people are saying, I still believe that, with a bit more polish, she can become a Town leader, should the situation arise. She's not quite over that hump yet, and activity is definitely an issue, but she's showing good signs of becoming a much better player right now.
Okay, that's #2 down. Next up on my list is mogyay.
Nightmares
(￣。￣)～ｚｚｚ
Panda, is there any reason for your confusing behaviour this game? (The things brought up in most people's reads on you).
I'm curious because previously you were very flustered and defensive about people voting you, but your attitude seemed scummy and like you weren't even trying to come across as town
You also weren't addressing what anyone said about you, and haven't given us much insight on who you want to vote / think are sus
I just really want to hear more from you when you have the time ;;
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I mean recently btw
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Ah, sorry, I missed the bit about you being busy, but in that time you spent typing it all out, I feel like you could have actually contributed something
Ignore the last part, but I'm still curious about your behaviour
I'm curious because previously you were very flustered and defensive about people voting you, but your attitude seemed scummy and like you weren't even trying to come across as town
You also weren't addressing what anyone said about you, and haven't given us much insight on who you want to vote / think are sus
I just really want to hear more from you when you have the time ;;
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I mean recently btw
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Ah, sorry, I missed the bit about you being busy, but in that time you spent typing it all out, I feel like you could have actually contributed something
Ignore the last part, but I'm still curious about your behaviour
mogyay
Skipping a lot of posts here, much of it is about meta
OVERALL ASSESSMENT: Likely Town - Despite the way she flipped in terms of the Zendel situation, I think that her early hesitance to vote for Corrie is very revealing, not just of her alignment, but potentially everybody's alignment. There were a few questionable posts that she's made thus far, but I believe those to be very minor, so they don't affect my opinion of her in any way.
ZefeZ - I'm just putting this here to say that I've seen absolutely nothing from him. I'm not going to use Zendel's posts to make a read on him, so I'm leaving him as null for now.
Anyway, next up is Tensu...
This is a good point to make, and a point I made in one of my earlier reads. I have nothing to expand upon with it, since I completely agree with it.
I have a feeling that her accuracy of Corrie being Town has a lot of merit here, not because I feel like she would know that Corrie is Town beforehand, but because she actively tries to steer discussion away from Corrie. Sure, Corrie did end up lynched, and that's not really a great thing for Town, but I think it says a lot about mogyay's alignment.
Despite what I've said about mog's alignment thus far, the bolded piece of this quote seems very odd to me, considering that she had stated earlier on that everybody changes their play-style from time to time. Perhaps this was more directed at the personality shift she mentioned in that same post, though I think the wording here isn't right, whether it be the former or the latter here.
Pushing the weaker players is actually a decent idea, in all honesty. Despite it seeming like kind of a d-bag move, the newer players will be more apt to say certain things when pressure is placed on them, which can give everybody a good idea of their alignment, whether it be good or bad. Yeah, it is convenient, but not for the reason you think it is.
Skipping a lot of posts here, much of it is about meta
The bolded point is something that can really speak to everybody. It's another very good point that she makes here.
I'm not really sure what the bolded part means...I understand the context of it, but it seemed like Panda was getting votes anyway at the time, so being backed into a corner wouldn't really make much sense.
I think it's a fair point, and after I'm done with these reads, I want to look more into the votes myself.
OVERALL ASSESSMENT: Likely Town - Despite the way she flipped in terms of the Zendel situation, I think that her early hesitance to vote for Corrie is very revealing, not just of her alignment, but potentially everybody's alignment. There were a few questionable posts that she's made thus far, but I believe those to be very minor, so they don't affect my opinion of her in any way.
ZefeZ - I'm just putting this here to say that I've seen absolutely nothing from him. I'm not going to use Zendel's posts to make a read on him, so I'm leaving him as null for now.
Anyway, next up is Tensu...
Damniel
Openly Wolfing
More people seem to be trying put more effort in the game so that's definitely a good thing
I personally don't believe Panda is scum- her frustration in the game is pretty genuine to me; she's put effort in the game and while the reads and play style pretty bad, it seems like more bad town than mafia
I'm still pretty sure Jacob is scum. Trundle as a growing scum lean too
I personally don't believe Panda is scum- her frustration in the game is pretty genuine to me; she's put effort in the game and while the reads and play style pretty bad, it seems like more bad town than mafia
I'm still pretty sure Jacob is scum. Trundle as a growing scum lean too
Nightmares
(￣。￣)～ｚｚｚ
Like we'd believe you'd actually tell us lmao
Since I found Seroja a little scummy, I decided to go back and compile the whole back and fourth between Ser and Panda. I am hoping to decide on a alignment to mark Panda as now that we know Seroja was actually town. I realize that in my head I was taking things a little easier on Panda for some reason, so most of the stuff I've been advocating may or may not change after I look a little more carefully into this....
(I also wrote this ^^ introduction before I started reading carefully below vv)
I'll start with Quote B:
"Seroja and why me as of right now ? I'm curious cause you've played with me before..."
This was Panda's very first post in retaliation to Seroja saying that Panda was her "biggest sus at this moment."
Generally I don't think much of people when they question why someone finds them suspicious (I usually don't do it, myself) but this really stuck out more than usual because it was directed solely to Seroja when Zendel also stated that they were suspicious of Panda only 15 minutes before Seroja said it.
I think its just pretty interesting, I don't really know what it means if I am being honest maybe I am nitpicking
Quote C and D
Seroja actually brings up really good and valid points against Panda. Nothing I would consider lynch worthy because it was mainly addressing her content effort blah blah and I already wrote a defense post about that earlier in the game. but Panda's return to that wasn't defensive at all, it was a OMGUS remark against Seroja's reads.
I probably wouldn't have picked up the difference earlier because like I said I was kinda more against Seroja from the beginning than of Panda. So quote D makes me think Panda is scummy.
Quote E and F compliment C as its just Seroja adding to everything she was finding off about Panda's playstyle, but Panda's reply to that is where things actually started to reverse, and I think it's where I was putting my attention:
"SerojaI am not skimming the thrrad... I don't remember you posting it, I'll have to go back and see."
I actually personally did find this quote sincere, we all skip over posts sometimes and miss out on important information. Albeit Seroja's reads is a pretty big thing to miss, but still. Panda didn't come back with an insult she came back with an explanation which is different than before.
It was also at this point that Seroja started changing her attitude, I'm not sure if it was confidence or what but she was becoming less and less pleasant when pointing out Panda's play.
Like quote J was a definite jab which I think was where I associated Ser to scum. After that Panda made another excuse/reason to quit replying.
So after rereading everything, the only scummy phrases that I saw from Panda were:
I - "if people start to sheep and vote me, we will have a mislynch."
K - "I'm making dinner atm, but as soon as I'm done I'll have it for you."
But the problem is that Panda and Seroja were both acting almost exactly the same. They were both hostile toward each other, they both changed their attitudes between Anger and Cooperation within 11 posts, and they both made excuses to end the topic for a little.
TLDR so far: I think its taking me a very long winded time to say that after reassessment of the whole back and forth between the two, its really hard to pick out whether Panda could be scum or not. At first I believed that there was probably 1 scum between them, but I don't think it would actually make sense at this point. This is most likely TownvTown or like f11 said MafiavMafia. At this point I need to take a stand on Panda and I want to say that she's Town.
So I am going to Town lean Panda
(Unless any new information comes out!!)
As for who I will be voting today, I want to take a look back on what xCleb has been posting. It seems like they're doing their own analysis on players and I think with their outlook and ideas, it'll be easier to narrow down a really good candidate for today (or at least help me when I go to create my own read, I am really trying my best in this game!! lol)
(I also wrote this ^^ introduction before I started reading carefully below vv)
* Everything written in brackets are my notes and not part of the original quotes
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I'll start with Quote B:
"Seroja and why me as of right now ? I'm curious cause you've played with me before..."
This was Panda's very first post in retaliation to Seroja saying that Panda was her "biggest sus at this moment."
Generally I don't think much of people when they question why someone finds them suspicious (I usually don't do it, myself) but this really stuck out more than usual because it was directed solely to Seroja when Zendel also stated that they were suspicious of Panda only 15 minutes before Seroja said it.
I think its just pretty interesting, I don't really know what it means if I am being honest maybe I am nitpicking
Quote C and D
Seroja actually brings up really good and valid points against Panda. Nothing I would consider lynch worthy because it was mainly addressing her content effort blah blah and I already wrote a defense post about that earlier in the game. but Panda's return to that wasn't defensive at all, it was a OMGUS remark against Seroja's reads.
I probably wouldn't have picked up the difference earlier because like I said I was kinda more against Seroja from the beginning than of Panda. So quote D makes me think Panda is scummy.
Quote E and F compliment C as its just Seroja adding to everything she was finding off about Panda's playstyle, but Panda's reply to that is where things actually started to reverse, and I think it's where I was putting my attention:
"SerojaI am not skimming the thrrad... I don't remember you posting it, I'll have to go back and see."
I actually personally did find this quote sincere, we all skip over posts sometimes and miss out on important information. Albeit Seroja's reads is a pretty big thing to miss, but still. Panda didn't come back with an insult she came back with an explanation which is different than before.
It was also at this point that Seroja started changing her attitude, I'm not sure if it was confidence or what but she was becoming less and less pleasant when pointing out Panda's play.
Like quote J was a definite jab which I think was where I associated Ser to scum. After that Panda made another excuse/reason to quit replying.
So after rereading everything, the only scummy phrases that I saw from Panda were:
I - "if people start to sheep and vote me, we will have a mislynch."
K - "I'm making dinner atm, but as soon as I'm done I'll have it for you."
But the problem is that Panda and Seroja were both acting almost exactly the same. They were both hostile toward each other, they both changed their attitudes between Anger and Cooperation within 11 posts, and they both made excuses to end the topic for a little.
TLDR so far: I think its taking me a very long winded time to say that after reassessment of the whole back and forth between the two, its really hard to pick out whether Panda could be scum or not. At first I believed that there was probably 1 scum between them, but I don't think it would actually make sense at this point. This is most likely TownvTown or like f11 said MafiavMafia. At this point I need to take a stand on Panda and I want to say that she's Town.
So I am going to Town lean Panda
(Unless any new information comes out!!)
As for who I will be voting today, I want to take a look back on what xCleb has been posting. It seems like they're doing their own analysis on players and I think with their outlook and ideas, it'll be easier to narrow down a really good candidate for today (or at least help me when I go to create my own read, I am really trying my best in this game!! lol)
>>>>>>
xCleb
Nightmares
mogyay
ZefeZ
Tensu
Damniel
Jacob
f11
amanda1983
Apple2013
PandaDarling
Primarina
I'm just gonna leave this here, will definitely elaborate (mainly on the null/scums) later today. If there isn't scum between f11/Panda/Cleb then my whole mindset is probably ****ed
xCleb
Nightmares
mogyay
ZefeZ
Tensu
Damniel
Jacob
f11
amanda1983
Apple2013
PandaDarling
Primarina
I'm just gonna leave this here, will definitely elaborate (mainly on the null/scums) later today. If there isn't scum between f11/Panda/Cleb then my whole mindset is probably ****ed
f11 too savage
Heyden
xCleb
[COLOR="##DAA520"]Nightmares[/COLOR]
mogyay
Zendel ZefeZ
Tensu
Damniel
Jacob
amanda1983
Apple2013
PandaDarling
Primarina
Panda is town, the push on her id dumb and is obviously being led by mafia. Seroja's death was to frame her imo.
I 70% believe the scum team is xcleb, nightmares, jacob and heyden. The interactions between these people seem fake and i don't trust it. It all started on the day 1 rqs.
Jacob answered " Last game I completely embarrassed myself participating in TownvTown meta-analysis on Heyden." by saying this I believeit was a way to subconciously clear him and heyden as town. After this sentence Jacob says " I am hoping this game I will be known for a little more accuracy" meaning he does want to go against a town heyden, who hasn't even posted yet. Some time goes and Jacob then posts this "People are sussing mostly Heyden, f11, and Zendel so I won't doubt any of those three will be lynched today.
I don't really understand the Heyden cases but maybe I need to go back and reread them
People are trying to associate carelessness=scummy which I also don't fully understand
Out of the 3 I would prefer a Zendel lynch and that was explained in my last post, it isn't a lot but its enough for just only day 1 I think." Jacob uses "people" when it was literally only me sussung heyden. He gives a small weak iffy defense saying he doesn't understand the case, but Jacob does this to not be defending him scummate, but also not extreme bussing, because they don't want a mafia to get lynched on day one. also that proud sheep on corrie kekkkk. also he does some weird **** calling panda third part when that doesnt make any sense at all. also he said he wasn't gonna post reads in night but know it's day sooo....jacob wya
Heyeden. His posts imo have been unfufilling. somethings just off about them and i don't trust it. Also I find it funny the heyden tried to bring up my mafia meta from like a year ago. During Day one some people where talking about nightmares abstractedly, it was nothing specific but heyden still defended nightmares from idk what, "I doubt Nightmares it's scum, I think her cluelessness of town:mafia ratio was a slight town tell if anything because when scum she usually just mimics everyone else." it was a weird and random defense and heyden basically calls her dumb town...how interesting. In that post heyden said he doesnt trust panda. Then nightmares pasted saying she doesnt trust me, and merged a post only minutes after heydens saying they also didn't trust panda. What happened? I think nightmare was imitating heyden, her scumbuddy..... ok next it is day 2. Seroja dies and Heyden posts this "doc wyd" next panda starts saying this cryptic softclaiming pr ****. Heyden asks panda, Tried what exactly? i think this a heyden trying to sniff out prs hoenestly like who asks dumb **** like this. Heyden also said this "im sensing a toads the doctor but i was roleblocked claim", which is also cryptic and makes no sense. It was asked twice, but it was never explained. Also he scum leaned cleb with no explanation not even like saying 'i dont trust him'
nightmares is just scummy in general but maybe dumb town.
xcleb had put nightmares as town which is weird to me, and heyden as mafia which i think is just bussing. I think hayden is bussing back when he has xcleb as mafia aswell.
The last link connecting these four is jacob saying this "As for who I will be voting today, I want to take a look back on what xCleb has been posting. It seems like they're doing their own analysis on players and I think with their outlook and ideas, it'll be easier to narrow down a really good candidate for today" ie: imma sheep xcleb and copy his reads. like idk i found this last part pretty weird. Jacob never posted reads but instead did a useless (imo) post of seroja and panda.
Uhm sorry for the formatting and spelling errors im on my phone but these are just my thoughts. Todays lynch should be either jacob or heyden, probably jacob.
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yikes, nightmares is supposed to be the same color as xcleb
Heyden
xCleb
[COLOR="##DAA520"]Nightmares[/COLOR]
mogyay
Zendel ZefeZ
Tensu
Damniel
Jacob
amanda1983
Apple2013
PandaDarling
Primarina
Panda is town, the push on her id dumb and is obviously being led by mafia. Seroja's death was to frame her imo.
I 70% believe the scum team is xcleb, nightmares, jacob and heyden. The interactions between these people seem fake and i don't trust it. It all started on the day 1 rqs.
Jacob answered " Last game I completely embarrassed myself participating in TownvTown meta-analysis on Heyden." by saying this I believeit was a way to subconciously clear him and heyden as town. After this sentence Jacob says " I am hoping this game I will be known for a little more accuracy" meaning he does want to go against a town heyden, who hasn't even posted yet. Some time goes and Jacob then posts this "People are sussing mostly Heyden, f11, and Zendel so I won't doubt any of those three will be lynched today.
I don't really understand the Heyden cases but maybe I need to go back and reread them
People are trying to associate carelessness=scummy which I also don't fully understand
Out of the 3 I would prefer a Zendel lynch and that was explained in my last post, it isn't a lot but its enough for just only day 1 I think." Jacob uses "people" when it was literally only me sussung heyden. He gives a small weak iffy defense saying he doesn't understand the case, but Jacob does this to not be defending him scummate, but also not extreme bussing, because they don't want a mafia to get lynched on day one. also that proud sheep on corrie kekkkk. also he does some weird **** calling panda third part when that doesnt make any sense at all. also he said he wasn't gonna post reads in night but know it's day sooo....jacob wya
Heyeden. His posts imo have been unfufilling. somethings just off about them and i don't trust it. Also I find it funny the heyden tried to bring up my mafia meta from like a year ago. During Day one some people where talking about nightmares abstractedly, it was nothing specific but heyden still defended nightmares from idk what, "I doubt Nightmares it's scum, I think her cluelessness of town:mafia ratio was a slight town tell if anything because when scum she usually just mimics everyone else." it was a weird and random defense and heyden basically calls her dumb town...how interesting. In that post heyden said he doesnt trust panda. Then nightmares pasted saying she doesnt trust me, and merged a post only minutes after heydens saying they also didn't trust panda. What happened? I think nightmare was imitating heyden, her scumbuddy..... ok next it is day 2. Seroja dies and Heyden posts this "doc wyd" next panda starts saying this cryptic softclaiming pr ****. Heyden asks panda, Tried what exactly? i think this a heyden trying to sniff out prs hoenestly like who asks dumb **** like this. Heyden also said this "im sensing a toads the doctor but i was roleblocked claim", which is also cryptic and makes no sense. It was asked twice, but it was never explained. Also he scum leaned cleb with no explanation not even like saying 'i dont trust him'
nightmares is just scummy in general but maybe dumb town.
xcleb had put nightmares as town which is weird to me, and heyden as mafia which i think is just bussing. I think hayden is bussing back when he has xcleb as mafia aswell.
The last link connecting these four is jacob saying this "As for who I will be voting today, I want to take a look back on what xCleb has been posting. It seems like they're doing their own analysis on players and I think with their outlook and ideas, it'll be easier to narrow down a really good candidate for today" ie: imma sheep xcleb and copy his reads. like idk i found this last part pretty weird. Jacob never posted reads but instead did a useless (imo) post of seroja and panda.
Uhm sorry for the formatting and spelling errors im on my phone but these are just my thoughts. Todays lynch should be either jacob or heyden, probably jacob.
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yikes, nightmares is supposed to be the same color as xcleb
agree, disagree, disagree, strongly disagree
Was just a thought because the RQS and your answers seemed to be set up pretty quickly, but yes that was a low move
Don't know what to say about the Nightmares situation, I legitimately think she's just town
Well when someone says they'll be 'a mislynch for town' or 'DO NOT LYNCH ME TOWN YOU WILL REGRET IT', I'm pretty sure most people would know what's going on anyway
Also I'm getting to Cleb and friends later today, just wait
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also I'm like 0% for a Jacob lynch
Damniel
Openly Wolfing
Well, she voted Panda so that'd be my guess.
About Nightmares, I still can't get over that she bandwagoned on the f11 suspicion train. Crys is known to be a reckless player, town or mafia, so her strange attitude can't really be associated as a scum lean. Also, this situation reminds me a lot of when I was mafia in the last game, I needed to vote someone without looking too suspicious so I settled on crys because of her usual strange attitude and hoped nobody would think anything of it. Here's the link to the mafia chat from that game so you can see yourself.
On another note, I'm honestly dumbfounded by the fact that people are actually heeding Panda's desperate plea at the end of Day One. Isn't that exactly what mafia would say at that point? If she really is innocent she should've just role claimed, it would've been more effective than what she said. I'm sorry, but "TOWN YOU DO NOT WANT TO LYNCH ME" would only be said by someone who has absolutely nothing to lose.
I'm still awaiting clarification from Panda on what she meant by, "I'm sorry Seroja, I tried." I'm also waiting to hear her scum leans as well as anything significant from ZeFeZe.
Damniel
Openly Wolfing
Oh whoops I didn't notice the vote sorry
Tensu, it seems that the easy bandwagon last day was Corrie, yet she didn't vote on her. I would hardly say sus on crys is a bandwagon. Why aren't you critizing people who were on corrie's wagon?
I have work tm so when I get home I'll post thorough reads
Tensu, it seems that the easy bandwagon last day was Corrie, yet she didn't vote on her. I would hardly say sus on crys is a bandwagon. Why aren't you critizing people who were on corrie's wagon?
I have work tm so when I get home I'll post thorough reads
I'm inclined to step down from Panda seeing if she responds, but either f11 or Cleb, more Cleb unless his reads on the players not done yet convince me otherwise
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