I love how my years of pointlessly arguing on the internet in the past have made me able to spot this stuff from a mile away
though it's so predictable here that spotting it isn't even any fun
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Trump reverses Obama's guidance on bathrooms
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I love how my years of pointlessly arguing on the internet in the past have made me able to spot this stuff from a mile away
though it's so predictable here that spotting it isn't even any fun
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visibleghost
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yeah a lot of public bathrooms have walls like this and it's a bit Uncomfortable ....
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unfortunately, there's 2 levels of impeachment
constitutional violation etc being the first level, and honestly useless while the GOP has full majority control
so the second level becomes "the GOP votes out their own platform", and with how clearly they're now a party-before-country party uh
yeah, unless something super major happens or we get a historical-level impeachment carried out in a different manner... lmao good luck
constitutional violation etc being the first level, and honestly useless while the GOP has full majority control
so the second level becomes "the GOP votes out their own platform", and with how clearly they're now a party-before-country party uh
yeah, unless something super major happens or we get a historical-level impeachment carried out in a different manner... lmao good luck
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"idk what you're taking about, looks secure & stable to me. nobody could ever be sexually assaulted in that"
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T_T we can dream.
Let's not talk about how his casino went bankrupt. How the hell does a casino go bankrupt?
He's clearly not a good businessman, nor fit to be a president. How drastic would it need to be to get him impeached.?
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Haskell
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Look at the business and empire he built again, please.
Sure. I'm looking hard as hell but I don't see a business nor an empire.
The economy is just going to go to ****. How the hell does a casino go bankrupt ???????? that's like having a lemon tree grow oranges. not possible in any logic.
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He handed all of his businesses to his son, so he doesn't even own them anymore so that's a lame argument. Back to the matter at hand.
Blueskyy
You gotta know that the sky belongs to no one.
I agree that people should use the bathroom that their physical body should use, but I also think there should be unisex bathrooms in places for those people who identify as something mentally that differs from their physical body. That way everyone can have their space and life can go on, because I'm tired of bathroom debates lol.
not sure how he "built" anything being born with a silver spoon in his mouth
i mean, i don't know any ""alternative facts"" but it don't seem to me that business (or lack of it in this case) got anything to do with human rights. and i think lil somethings called the bill of rights and basic humanity agree with that. 
so let's not muddle the issue of the forum topic
so let's not muddle the issue of the forum topic
N a t
In the name of the Moon, Indeedaroo!
My mom was really mad about the whole "Bathroom Policy" because perverts could use this as a chance to do bad things to vulnerable people. But honestly, I don't know why this policy made things worse for anyone, seeing as how anyone could do bad things in a public restroom to begin with. What's gonna stop some wacko from sneaking into the opposite sex restroom and doing weird things to begin with anyways? Not the sign, that's for sure. Things might be slightly easier for someone whether they just claim to be transgendered or actually are, and abuse that freedom, by doing some crazy **** in the restroom. But nothing was stopping them before. Half the time, nobody cares or notices anyways. Once when I was a child, and not a very young child I assure you, I accidentally wandered into a men's room. Once I realized I was in there, I quickly left, but nobody noticed I went in or came out. To be completely honest, I think creating the bathroom policy was a waste of time, because I believe few are gonna care, as long as you really look like the assigned sex, but it's an even bigger waste of time trying to change or abolish it. You can't stop crazy with a couple of laws or signs.
visibleghost
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people do care tho
trans people are harassed by cis ppl in bathrooms thats why we needore laws and policies that protect us
N a t
In the name of the Moon, Indeedaroo!
Perhaps my wording was awkward, but I meant that if you look the part, I don't see why anyone would suspect you unless you made yourself out to be very suspicious. And forgive me for making an assumption, but if you want to be the opposite sex wouldn't you also want to look the part? It's just a thought. If I wanted to be male, I'd want to look male. And if I looked male and used a male restroom, I don't think anyone would bother me because they'd see me as that sex.
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That doesn't mean everyone feels that way though. It's an assumption, but I mean no ill.
visibleghost
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trans people dont have to "pass" to deserve to not be harassed. you cant blame this on trans people. it is literally impossible for so many trans people to pass as cis!!! even if they want to!!! even after fully transitioning, even if you try to make yourself look as masculine/feminine as humanly possible so many still cant pass. we shouldnt have to look cis to not be assaulted.
i umderstand that you arent trying to blame trans people but this way of thinking is problematic and centered around the needs and feelings of (transphobic) cis people.
like, what you are saying is kinda like if a kid is bullied because they are a nerd, the kid should stop liking comics and math so they wont be a nerd anymore which will stop the bullying. the bullies need to be dealt with, not the nerdy kid. (though with trans issues it is worse because it reinforces transphobic ways of thinking which leads to more hate crimes against trans ppl and stuff)
also the concept of passing is really ****ing gross an i hate it so much because it just reinforces cissexist, gender stereotypical and transphobic ideas and it makes me want to mcfricking Die but thats another discussion i guess.
I mean plenty of people could only go so far with "looking the part" as a baseline, so...
and I don't mean this to put down trans people not looking like their gender or anything, but just simply it being a case of basic male and female body structure being generally widely different even outside of the super major things
and I don't mean this to put down trans people not looking like their gender or anything, but just simply it being a case of basic male and female body structure being generally widely different even outside of the super major things
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In the name of the Moon, Indeedaroo!
I'm not saying that anyone should HAVE to pass some sort of unwritten test or anything. It's just more of society's awful standards for human beings. And trans people don't deserve harassment for any reason at all. I'm just trying to say that for those who can manage to pass, it would definitely help them in this current situation. All I'm sayin' is that if you can pass for whatever sex you are, you'd have an easier time surviving. It sucks, and it's a cowards way, but sometimes a way is a way. If that makes sense. But if you're strong enough to fend off all of the bullying and harassment until this whole issue is resolved, then by all means.
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I understand what you and Ghost are saying, and that was one thing I overlooked. That it can be hard to look the part. But as I mentioned above, it's just something to think about or try if you haven't. If you think you can look like any other man or woman, then it wouldn't hurt to try. And if it doesn't work out, I'm sorry that you can't pass under the evil eye, so to speak. I don't think any of my words were interpreted how I wanted them to be, seeing the responses I've received. I apologize for that...
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i found an interesting article about the issues of passing and not letting trans people into the right bathroom http://www.washingtonblade.com/2016/03/23/passing-privilege-debate-conjures-stereotypes/
it's a year old but i think it is very relevant
tldr: picture of two girls (people who look like Girls and all that u know what i mean anyone who looks at the picture will say it is two girls) outside a changing room captioned "so, tell me, which girl shouldn't be allowed in?" one of the girls is trans and the other cis (i assume lol)
the article brings up the issues with this picture and passing (cost, it's often impossible, not everyone wants to) - should trans people really have to look cis to not be discriminated?
i think it is a good perspective. many people mean well when they say things like "she looks like and behaves just like any other girl" when they defend/support/whatever a trans girl. but that's kinda in soem ways counter productive and problematic.
i hope this exppains more about what i meant w/ my last post lol idk it might be unreadable
it's a year old but i think it is very relevant
tldr: picture of two girls (people who look like Girls and all that u know what i mean anyone who looks at the picture will say it is two girls) outside a changing room captioned "so, tell me, which girl shouldn't be allowed in?" one of the girls is trans and the other cis (i assume lol)
the article brings up the issues with this picture and passing (cost, it's often impossible, not everyone wants to) - should trans people really have to look cis to not be discriminated?
i think it is a good perspective. many people mean well when they say things like "she looks like and behaves just like any other girl" when they defend/support/whatever a trans girl. but that's kinda in soem ways counter productive and problematic.
i hope this exppains more about what i meant w/ my last post lol idk it might be unreadable
society should abolish the idea that clothing is gendered tbh
Red Cat
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I don't think it's ever to okay to discriminate against someone over how they appear, but you have to understand that some people will get freaked out when they see something which appears out of the ordinary to them. Biologically, humans are divided into two sexes: male and female. Males and females have physical traits which distinguish them from the other sex. Many people see sex as a part of humanity and if someone doesn't "look" either male or female, then to some people they don't "look" human. While it easier said than done for people to change their bodies, people still see at as a "grooming" issue where frankly at a certain point like with clothes, hair, etc. it seems like it's less about someone expressing their individuality and more about that person just looking like ****. It's not nice to say that out loud, but nearly everyone thinks that about someone they see. People's brains are naturally wired to judge other people's appearances to an extent, and if they see someone who looks "in-between", their first thought is going to be "WTF?" even if they are supportive of transgender rights.
oh yeah, and makeup, accessories, etc too
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