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N. Korea is so isolated... what is North Korea?
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It is interesting to see people's perspectives of what communist means
People who are opposed to socialism / communism as an economic system want other people to immediately associate communism with the Soviet Union, North Korea, etc. so that they'll think communism is evil. It's much easier to use those scare tactics than try to argue the pros and cons of capitalism versus socialism versus communism, because when people are exposed to real debates over the different systems, they are more likely prefer socialism or communism over capitalism which capitalists, especially big-money interests, don't want.
Ichiban
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Exactly! In all reality, communism is much, much better then capitalism! Everyone earns the same, healthcare is free, it's more balanced and ideally would have no social hierarchy, but it would need a good leader, which in the case of most communist governments over history, was nonexistent
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Everyone doesn't work the same. Free healthcare is hard to mandate. Look at France. Ideally, it has no social hierarchy but... every society has a social class. Define "good leader".
Ichiban
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By "good leader" I mean one who is supported by and supportive of his people, not one who could care less of them, the only communist leaders that come to mind that cared for the people were Fidel Castro and Mikhail Gorbachev, perhaps even Kim il-Sung (thought it's highly debatable and lacking much evidence to support either side of the argument for Kim il-Sung)
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Fidel Castro cared for his people? Ok... a lot of people left Cuba because of that man.
This has been said before, but while this concept sounds and looks great on paper, it is very hard to get into place and make it work for everyone. People are naturally selfish, and many are naturally lazy. While you might have some people willing to go above and beyond to help others, most will want to look out for only themselves and their families. There isn't anything wrong with this, but it makes the system described by communism very hard to achieve and easy to exploit.
First of all, the healthcare isn't free, it's payed for by higher taxes. I'm all for single-payer, but it's important to acknowledge where the funding is coming from. Everyone earning the same is not a good thing. People should get payed more for doing a better job and for doing jobs which require more skills and training. That being said, income inequality is a big problem in many countries. If an employee is making $20k per year and the CEO is making $20 mil per year, I can see the justification for paying the CEO more, but not 1,000 times more. A CEO is not 1,000 times smarter and does not work 1,000 times harder than an employee on the ground, so having those extremes are ridiculous. The income curve shouldn't be completely flattened, but it needs to be smoothed over a bit.
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I vote for North Korea because they have very strict laws...
thats not what communism is. capitalist countries can also be led by a dictator
Health care never was, and still isn't, free in communist countries. It looks good in theory, but it's very hard to put into practice. Some people are complete slackers and when they get the same pay as hard-working people, there's a lot of uproar and upset.
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Why has no one still voted for Vietnam then? You had a vote.
That's what I was just asking. Don't ask me. Why did you add North Korea if it's not communist?
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Click like if your a communist/leftist or support it even if it supposedly "doesn't work on paper". Like even if you like the idea of it. Or if you just hate capitalism
I'm not clicking like because although I think it's a cute idea I think it's unobtainable and that capitalism, while flawed, is the easiest way to allow people to be "free", and I'll choose the option that allows what I consider to offer the most choice and freedom to make ones own decisions.
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You cannot simply ask why no one voted for something and then not vote for that said something. Makes no sense.
And North Korea is communist...
visibleghost
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how is north korea communist? is it because they call themselves communist, just like how they call tvemselves democratic?
But it's not though. North Korea can't be called a left-wing country or government.
Bruhh you don't know what communist means omg.
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