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pillow bunny said:
because they are the vocal minority
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That's not true at all. Everyone protesting in the Black Rights Movement is typically incredibly vocal and the majority aren't extremists so...

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pillow bunny said:
wow, literally :(

i know people who thought they might be trans until they realized the very stuff i'm talking about now
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Being trans isn't as fluffy and pillow like you're making it out to be. It's not some choice for the way they feel, it's a reality.
 
Princess said:
no one's denying institutionalized sexism exist, what's your point?

Identifying as a specific gender derives from something a lot deeper than gender roles. It has a lot to do with sex, which is biological. A woman is anyone who identifies as a woman. A man is anyone who identifies as a man.

Now, I'm going to ask you, if you're so sure that if gender roles were abolished there would be less transpeople. Then what about people who are intersex? What happens to them in your idea?
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transracialism is based on institutionalized racism
transgenderism is based on institutionalized sexism

that doesn't even make sense. someone says they are a woman and that makes them one, but how do THEY determine that they are a woman?

intersex people are considered intersex, and are treated the exact same as everyone else because in a world without gender roles there would be no sex-based marketing or perhaps even pronouns
 
Princess said:
That's not true at all. Everyone protesting in the Black Rights Movement is typically incredibly vocal and the majority aren't extremists so...

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Being trans isn't as fluffy and pillow like you're making it out to be. It's not some choice for the way they feel, it's a reality.
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as you have said, it is the reality because it's how the feel
what
 
pillow bunny said:
transracialism is based on institutionalized racism
transgenderism is based on institutionalized sexism

that doesn't even make sense. someone says they are a woman and that makes them one, but how do THEY determine that they are a woman?

intersex people are considered intersex, and are treated the exact same as everyone else because in a world without gender roles there would be no sex-based marketing or perhaps even pronouns
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transracism does not exist. you can not benefit from your already existing race, and adopt another race solely for it's benefits.

you need to educate yourself a bit more on the concept of gender verses the concept of sex.

I think I'm starting to see your mentality. Are you the same kind of person who would say "I don't see colour!! We're all equal!" Because while that's lovely in theory, it's incredibly destructive as it invalidates the issues minorities go through.
 
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if there was no name to the belief of woman equality (ex:feminism)) and woman in general just strived for equality there wouldn't be such a big hullabaloo on the situation ?\_(ツ)_/?
 
Nebudelic said:
ah okay I edited my post :'3 my bad

also what's the current status of this thread? is it still going smoothly
or did it just go into a downward spiral?​
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It's going better than I feared it would, tbh. If it had been another gaming forum, things would have been so much worse, I think.
 
The only thing that technically related to feminism that pisses me off is the fact that some twits use feminism as a barrier against any sort of conflict or confrontation.

For example, the other day I confronted an incredibly ugly ignorant tumblr user that was being a misandrist basically in her every post, so then she responded to my confrontation by calling me a misogynist and insinuated that I was against feminism (aka equality).

Seriously, if any female uses feminism as a defensive barrier to shield yourself whenever a male happens to argue/confront you, then please do not call yourself a feminist, because in reality you are not.

Another thing that ticks me off with "feminism" (quotation because I don't know whether this falls under that category) is that people often forget that not every woman is innocent. There are women that beat, kill, terrorise, torture and make false rape charges (essentially ruining someone's future and life) against men, and a lot of people fail to realise this when they make blog posts about the countless number of men murdering and beating up women, when in reality none of that really has any relation at all to feminism and what it stands for. All it's doing is victimising women and criminalising men, which is completely wrong because when people do this it's almost as if they're openly saying "This is what disgusting men do to us so let's all band together with "feminism" and petition against every man alive."

Feminism = Equality

What people often mistake feminism for = A group hellbent on hating men
 
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kayleee said:
Literally my response to the men in this thread was in direct correlation to how ignorant they are acting
So basically just stating a fact

And also rhinoK clearly your feelings ARE hurt
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How are my feelings hurt? Are you making assumptions again? I think I know my feelings better than you sweety :)

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hariolari said:
This thread went exactly in the direction it always does. Sad.
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was there any doubt
 
Nebudelic said:
ah okay I edited my post :'3 my bad

also what's the current status of this thread? is it still going smoothly
or did it just go into a downward spiral?​
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I had a look and this is your only deleted post in this thread near the beginning:

well I can't see this ending well at all
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A couple mods have been watching this thread and a number of posts have been removed throughout, primarily near the beginning and middle of the thread. I didn't remove your post personally, but it's safe to assume it was deleted (alongside many similar ones on the first pages) because that kind of posting does not contribute to the thread at all, and only adds negative feelings to a thread before it even gets a chance to begin. I imagine you weren't given a warning because it's not really a big enough deal to warrant the trouble, and there were many similar posts from others as well.

And not to be rude, but the post I'm quoting here doesn't help either. There is no need for a meta discussion of the thread inside here, while an actual discussion is taking place. It's only going to derail things and it's not necessary.

I also acknowledge that this post I'm making right now isn't much different, but I feel it's worth posting here rather than PMing just to make the point clear for the entire thread so everyone understands. I'm happy to see the thread taking a turn towards civil discussion right now, so let's keep it that way!
 
Princess said:
transracism does not exist. you can not benefit from your already existing race, and adopt another race solely for it's benefits.

you need to educate yourself a bit more on the concept of gender verses the concept of sex.

I think I'm starting to see your mentality. Are you the same kind of person who would say "I don't see colour!! We're all equal!" Because while that's lovely in theory, it's incredibly destructive as it invalidates the issues minorities go through.
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sex = biological sex; male, female, and intersex
gender = roles and stereotypes imposed on people due to their sex

is this not true?

i mean, i'm sure you agree that there would be less racism if we worked harder to eliminate racial segregation. gender roles are essentially sex-based segregation. people don't identify as transracial (except that one person) because (for the most part) we understand that behavioural differences and personalities are not determined by race. i believe this should be applied to biological sex as well, by eliminating gender.
 
pillow bunny said:
sex = biological sex; male, female, and intersex
gender = roles and stereotypes imposed on people due to their sex

is this not true?

i mean, i'm sure you agree that there would be less racism if we worked harder to eliminate racial segregation. gender roles are essentially sex-based segregation. people don't identify as transracial (except that one person) because (for the most part) we understand that behavioural differences and personalities are not determined by race. i believe this should be applied to biological sex as well, by eliminating gender.
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no. gender does not = roles and stereotypes imposed on people due to their sex
gender has to do with self identification and is incredibly fluid.

there would be less racism if we abolished the racist societal norms sure.
again you're comparing apples and oranges. The experiences a PoC face are different than the experiences they face if they were trans.

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You know, the mods are watching this thread and cleaning as they go.
So continuing the post things like lolol falme war xD isn't really adding to the discussion, and is moving attention from the informative conversations going on within this thread. Just be courteous to the other users using this thread, please.
 
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also this probably makes no sense but idc

genders are forced onto people due to their biological sex.
gender roles are forced onto people due to their genders.

in almost EVERYWHERE, gender and biological sex are treated as the same. can 10 year old child brides in africa opt out by saying they identify as genderfluid? without gender, males and females would be treated the SAME. families would not allow a male child to go to school but not a female child. they would just both be kids, and their different genitals would be treated just like other different body parts, like hair and eye color.

when a baby is born, they are given a gender due to their sex. there are trans people because they feel they were assigned the wrong gender, because there are only two opposite extremes available, no compromise.

inventing ten billion new genders for self identification helps NO ONE because babies will still be forcibly given genders and then have to escape from them. if there weren't genders, everyone could do what they wanted without worrying about going out of their gender norm and having to choose a new gender.

you are using gender synonymously with personality. we do not sum up personalities in one or two words and have people use them to fully describe themselves. personalities are just a part of people that those who know and talk to them slowly learn. they are not meant to be identified and labelled.
 
pillow bunny said:
oops i died
also this probably makes no sense but idc

genders are forced onto people due to their biological sex.
gender roles are forced onto people due to their genders.

in almost EVERYWHERE, gender and biological sex are treated as the same. can 10 year old child brides in africa opt out by saying they identify as genderfluid? without gender, males and females would be treated the SAME. families would not allow a male child to go to school but not a female child. they would just both be kids, and their different genitals would be treated just like other different body parts, like hair and eye color.

when a baby is born, they are given a gender due to their sex. there are trans people because they feel they were assigned the wrong gender, because there are only two opposite extremes available, no compromise.

inventing ten billion new genders for self identification helps NO ONE because babies will still be forcibly given genders and then have to escape from them. if there weren't genders, everyone could do what they wanted without worrying about going out of their gender norm and having to choose a new gender.

you are using gender synonymously with personality. we do not sum up personalities in one or two words and have people use them to fully describe themselves. personalities are just a part of people that those who know and talk to them slowly learn. they are not meant to be identified and labelled.
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What you're thinking of is the concept of being assigned a gender at birth.
Since babies aren't really sentient yet (they aren't capable of complex thought + communication), they can't understand what the concept of gender, sex, or basically anything is until they're older.
It's a similar concept to how we give animals genders. Since animals aren't sentient and have no concept of gender in the first place, they technically don't have a gender. Instead we colloquially refer to them by their sex instead.



And no, nobody in this thread is using gender synonymously with personality - if we were, then every tomboy would be a boy and every feminine man would be a woman, but that's not how it is.

The thing to understand here is that gender is a form of self-identification and feeling and sex is the body that you have.\
Think of it like a computer: Gender is software, but Sex is hardware.
 
pillow bunny said:
oops i died
also this probably makes no sense but idc

genders are forced onto people due to their biological sex.
gender roles are forced onto people due to their genders.

in almost EVERYWHERE, gender and biological sex are treated as the same. can 10 year old child brides in africa opt out by saying they identify as genderfluid? without gender, males and females would be treated the SAME. families would not allow a male child to go to school but not a female child. they would just both be kids, and their different genitals would be treated just like other different body parts, like hair and eye color.

when a baby is born, they are given a gender due to their sex. there are trans people because they feel they were assigned the wrong gender, because there are only two opposite extremes available, no compromise.

inventing ten billion new genders for self identification helps NO ONE because babies will still be forcibly given genders and then have to escape from them. if there weren't genders, everyone could do what they wanted without worrying about going out of their gender norm and having to choose a new gender.

you are using gender synonymously with personality. we do not sum up personalities in one or two words and have people use them to fully describe themselves. personalities are just a part of people that those who know and talk to them slowly learn. they are not meant to be identified and labelled.
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It doesn't help no one, it helps the people who are looking to put into words what they identify with.

Also your point on African babies...ok..? Homosexuality is still considered a horrible thing in many cultures, does that mean we should give up and not help people who don't identify as being heterosexual?
 
I believe in feminism, not Anita Sarkeesian-esque feminazi feminism, but I do think equality should be a thing.

MeninistTweet on Twitter is still the funniest **** I've ever read though.
 
MrKisstoefur said:
I believe in feminism, not Anita Sarkeesian-esque feminazi feminism, but I do think equality should be a thing.

MeninistTweet on Twitter is still the funniest **** I've ever read though.
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You and your beard are my fave
 
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