The Vegan and Vegetarian Thread

helenkeller said:

Thank you! We do have a store that sells meat and I'm pretty sure it is local. I do eat meat, but I am not much of a fan of milk, cheese(sometimes like on pizza but not just eating plain cheese), and stuff like that. Milk (unless its chocolate milk) leaves a cheesy taste in my mouth, and I think it is repulsive IMO (sometimes I do have a craving for it though). Our kroger and meijer also sells cruelty free, non gmo, grass fed beef. I plan on buying it if i get this job(i'd get discounted too, because my interview is for kroger). I kind of "let myself go" when it has come to my diet lately. But I am also pretty sensitive to what I eat as well. My dad has barretts disease and he found this out late in life, I feel like I could have the same issue, because some foods go right through me and make me feel like absolute garbage.

I have no idea what I will do in the future, but I know that I don't plan on buying leather any time soon, unless I KNOW the animal was dead first. That is why I refuse to wear uggs. (other than the fact that they're fugly)

You were so kind! The people I see all over youtube (I enjoy reading comments) give reasons why you should, and how it is possible even if you "don't have the money" and how you will "feel so much better"... They say how it is possible. When for some people it isn't. Because like me, I don't have a job, I can't just say "yeah mom I'm vegan now so you have to buy foods based around MY diet" it just doesn't work that way. And they will just attack you for every little thing... They act like vegan is how it SHOULD be. Eating meat has been around since before civilization, people had no choice to kill animals, but they used every part. Bones to make weapons, the fur and skin to keep warm, the meat, every little part got used up. That is what I don't have a problem with. What I have a problem with is factory farming, that is where most meat comes from. I have no problem if the animals have great lives, and die of old age. Or if they use every little bit of the animal. They just live their lives in cages to die...

The most expensive steak you can buy, comes from a cow that is massaged (yep, they give them body massages) and treated like family. And only a select few places in america sell the authentic thing, if they don't have a certificate they're lying, and is most likely just a normal steak.

Factory farming is heinous, there is no reason to give baby chickens hormones. They suffer, their organs grow to be so huge for their bodies, that sometimes they cannot walk, and just lay there, get stepped on, and eventually die....

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Soti said:

Kroger is fantastic. I hope you get the job! That's actually where I bought my vegan food when I couldn't drive far enough for a Whole Foods. But Thrive takes care of a lot of my needs now since it often is cheaper and it delivers directly home.

Sorry to hear about your dad's condition. I hope you are able to avoid it. Yeah, my stomach is really sensitive too. I'm lactose intolerant, have a hard time processing larger quantities of gluten, can't really eat pork, and can't eat beef very well (unless it is at least partially grass-fed, I think possibly because they don't get pumped with antibiotics and whatnot like the factory farmed cows.) Honestly, I am thankful I struggle to digest these meats, because it forces me to eat less of it.

It is; factory farming is ethically disgusting. There's a movement that's along the lines you mentioned, called "nose-to-tail", in which people eat up all parts, including the organs, as not to waste anything if possible. I remember hearing that Native Americans would apologize or thank the animals they hunted for their meat and warmth and whatnot. I can appreciate that. Based on my personal beliefs, I think we were all originally meant to be vegetarians, but over time and the way things went with the world, meat became a food source for humans and we adapted. But, even so, factory farming was not a part of what is okay according to the God I believe in, and I strongly disagree with the practice regardless. Lots of people have different beliefs on whether they think we were made for meat consumption or not though and for various reasons, and I'm not willing to jump into any debates about that kind of thing. My point in my diet is animal welfare.

I'm pretty sure a lot of the militant veg*ns are that way because they are bitter over seeing such injustice in farms large-scale, and they have only really met people who have failed a vegetarian diet because they missed the taste of meat or came across a common and addressable problem with the diet. Not to excuse them for being rude!

I'm sure the cows enjoy the massages!

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Soti said:

Kroger is fantastic. I hope you get the job! That's actually where I bought my vegan food when I couldn't drive far enough for a Whole Foods. But Thrive takes care of a lot of my needs now since it often is cheaper and it delivers directly home.

Sorry to hear about your dad's condition. I hope you are able to avoid it. Yeah, my stomach is really sensitive too. I'm lactose intolerant, have a hard time processing larger quantities of gluten, can't really eat pork, and can't eat beef very well (unless it is at least partially grass-fed, I think possibly because they don't get pumped with antibiotics and whatnot like the factory farmed cows.) Honestly, I am thankful I struggle to digest these meats, because it forces me to eat less of it.

It is; factory farming is ethically disgusting. There's a movement that's along the lines you mentioned, called "nose-to-tail", in which people eat up all parts, including the organs, as not to waste anything if possible. I remember hearing that Native Americans would apologize or thank the animals they hunted for their meat and warmth and whatnot. I can appreciate that. Based on my personal beliefs, I think we were all originally meant to be vegetarians, but over time and the way things went with the world, meat became a food source for humans and we adapted. But, even so, factory farming was not a part of what is okay according to the God I believe in, and I strongly disagree with the practice regardless. Lots of people have different beliefs on whether they think we were made for meat consumption or not though and for various reasons, and I'm not willing to jump into any debates about that kind of thing. My point in my diet is animal welfare.

I'm pretty sure a lot of the militant veg*ns are that way because they are bitter over seeing such injustice in farms large-scale, and they have only really met people who have failed a vegetarian diet because they missed the taste of meat or came across a common and addressable problem with the diet. Not to excuse them for being rude!

I'm sure the cows enjoy the massages!

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forestyne said:

A lot of vegans don't even like vegetarians in general. I can tolerate them.

I'm sure the cows enjoy the massages before being murdered too.

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MozzarellaSticks said:

?? Most vegans are bigots who hate all non vegans what.

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forestyne said:

Most vegans hate vegetarians for the sole reason that they ain't woke enough or something. Everyone starts off somewhere.

I can't stand the failed veg*ns that fall back into an omni diet because they missed the taste of meat and pull the shutters back over their eyes. That's all I have to say on that.

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If you've ever been in a vegan (I say vegan because there's a difference between vegan and plant-based) Facebook group, you will know what I mean.

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MozzarellaSticks said:

Sounds more like you surround yourself with negative and hateful people.

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forestyne said:

sounds more like im in a facebook group with likeminded people but oke

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Saw a stupid "less meat and dairy diet" (can't remember what it's called but I saw it in a vegan humour group) that claims to be cruelty-free because you're lessening the suffering of animals by eating less. But honey, if you're eating animals, you're contributing to their suffering.

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MozzarellaSticks said:

Ah. So you joined an echo chamber, and now you think everyone thinks the same way.

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Corrie said:

The rude vegans and vegetarians are the reason why I hated all vegans and vegetarians for years. I knew two vegetarians who were really rude to me about eating meat so I had a negative view on them. Boy was a I wrong. Not all vegans and vegetarians are nutjobs. I now know a bunch irl who are totally chill and really nice.

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G0DFlesh_88 said:

just curious if there are any vegan cheese that is good and taste like well.... the real thing lol or close to it.

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G0DFlesh_88 said:

just curious if there are any vegan cheese that is good and taste like well.... the real thing lol or close to it.

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brambles said:

Sup, I’m vegan. I hate animal cruelty and people who reply with MMMM BACON THO whenever you share a dish that doesn’t have meat or cheese in it. Also I love cooking spicy vegetable meals!

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Bizhiins said:

TBH you won?t ever find something exactly like real cheese because of the addictive casomorphines in it but.. I?d say my favorites are:
-follow your heart brand is really good for cheese slices for grilled cheese, sandwiches, American cheese to melt on burgers etc
-chao cheese, tomato cayenne for a good flavored cheese. Follow your heart smoked Gouda is also a delicious flavored cheese
-daiya mozzarella shreds is perfect for vegan pizza, it melts really nicely

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Soti said:

Oh oh oh! And if making your own vegan pizza, if a cheese doesn't melt very well, I found that spraying a little bit of oil on it can help! Personally, I prefer Follow Your Heart for pizza than Daiya, but both are good.

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