Mafia TBT Mini Mafia XV: Pokémon Colosseum [End Game]

Tom said:

Because you're lying out your ass. Your case was pathetically weak so you resorted to claiming you stole a Pokemon I never had from me.

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sharkystriker22 said:

These words kind of seem forced,and really over defensive.Also a little panicky...Hm....

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Truffle said:

Really dumb decision. I'm pretty much left with no decision now. I'm Wes. Tom is mafia and I strangled Dad to death last night with my Pokemon. Once night passes, Tom needs to be lynched. I can't believe that you guys seriously wasted a chance to get rid of him - logically speaking - had he flipped town, you would have at least been able to vote for me the next day. You guys put no thought into the decision and it's disappointing.

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Tom said:

1) Is that all you really have to say about anyone?
2) Put yourself in my shoes. The whole game you've had a great Pokemon, Noctowl. But suddenly someone is claiming you have Tyrannitar, the Godfather's Pokemon. Its obviously wrong but people are buying it because "he must be the godfather". Do you really want to not only die and lose to mafia like that? I wouldn't.

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BlueLeaf said:

Ugh I would have switched if an emergency didn't pop up irl sorry.


TBH I think you're taking this too out of proportion. You're saying it's obviously wrong but all we have is your word on that. What exactly is wrong with the case other than whether you're Town or Scum?

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Tom said:

It's wrong because I am Town and I never had Tyrannitar. That would be an open shut case if I had been the Godfather, but I'm not so Truffle is trying to bluff their way to victory. I honestly believe Truffle is Dakim and is working with the real godfather to try and frame me.

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Tom said:

1) Is that all you really have to say about anyone?
2) Put yourself in my shoes. The whole game you've had a great Pokemon, Noctowl. But suddenly someone is claiming you have Tyrannitar, the Godfather's Pokemon. Its obviously wrong but people are buying it because "he must be the godfather". Do you really want to not only die and lose to mafia like that? I wouldn't.

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Dad said:

So in case I die I want to give my reads on all the players in the game:

Before I start I have to say I have little PM stuff to report, so most of this will be about stuff in the thread. Only PM'd one person in this game so far.

Ryan88: Is a trainer, has a furret, probably isn't lying like usual. He did lie in Makar mafia when he was mafia, so there's that to consider. But I'm going to take what he says as the truth tbh because if he is mafia he'd just slip up later on.

River: ??? Hasn't posted too much yet. Haven't been PMing her either. I find her hard to read at the moment. She said she was talking about a person she eventually wants to talk about later, but I'll leave her to it I guess?

Alice: Went for a no lynch. Was then vocal against me, I suppose rightfully since she desired the no lynch and didn't get it, and the lynch had a bad result. There hasn't really been much else from her this game so far, but when she was scum with me she advocated splitting up her lynch votes with her team members so that nobody would suspect mafia was hopping on bandwagons, and sorta fed other people's suspicions. She's not really acting this way so far, but watch out for this behavior.

Tom: Started a job so that might be why he's inactive, but I know he has some free time when he's not working? Keep an eye on him if he doesn't die soon, since I and a lot of other people see him as a 'stronger player' who mafia or killer might try to get rid of before he gets too vocal.

alise: I don't understand why she's acting like she doesn't want to play helpful. She was very critical of what I had to say the other day and accused me of fluffing up my posts, and she seemed eager to scumhunt at that moment. The only odd behavior other than the act of 'I don't want to be helpful' is that she said something different about the nature of 'fluff posting' than she did in the past. I think people are being critical of her activity and the activity of others, but like she said activity isn't really an alignment tell anymore - it's just leaving nothing to read into. Honestly I townread her at the moment, and am watching those who want to go after her.

Speaking of which, Truffle went after alise with little to go on - mostly her being 'overly defensive' and me pointing out Alise's past game regarding 'fluff posts' might have contributed? I thought it was a weak reason to lynch her over although people have criticized me of doing the same with Cory - although I still think I had plenty of valid reasons. This is the one person I have PM'd so far in this game and they came off as mostly logical both before and after the Natty ordeal. Kiiinda townread at the moment but idk. Not at the top of my suspect list at least.

While I have been 'clearing' Natty off the bat for the meta reasons I stated earlier and I think she's probably town, I don't want to just use that the entire game as a towntell because she deserves to be watched just like everyone else does despite the hosts sort of protecting her at the moment and her pokemon having been stolen. I found it funny that she went after alise after alise announced she wouldn't be helpful, which I think wasn't true on her part (she got some reactions of out that for sure). Natty's reaction is one I don't like, simply because she failed to read into the tidbits alise has been contributing to the game.

Cariad? I don't have good feelings about her at all. Her excuse for going after the 'newbs' was that she wanted to call them out to the thread so they would become active.



I feel like the rest of that response was about something really insubstantial that she didn't even need to defend tbh - talking to Karen because of timezone(?) and obligation. And then after that she's saying she doesn't want to look bad by not talking to Karen when they were having a conversation - I'm guessing she needed to go for irl stuff? Either way she could have just said so, I don't know why she's trying so hard to not seem scummy. Here's what being overly defensive looks like guys, not a couple shallow sentences somebody said in response to another person (*cough* alise to Truffle *cough*). If I'm still alive day two this is somebody I'm considering voting for because it's my scummiest read.

Karen: I might revisit her if I have the time, but all I really read from her early on was that she was attacking Natty over something ridiculous (two words). Her defense on that was that she was trying to be helpful but was that really the best she could do.

I might add the other reads I have on the remaining players I haven't mentioned (Crystal and Blu Rose and sharky and Daniel) but I haven't really looked into much of what they had to say, other than a few of their posts. I'm kind of tired but I wanted to post this as insurance if I die. Just read it as 'this is what so and so has done and why I towntell/want to keep an eye on them'. This post could have been a lot better but it's day one, and it's been one of those days for me.

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I also found it weird that Cariad just wanted to trust me right off the bat when I'm obviously not the most trustworthy in the game at the moment (refer to: the Natty situation). Forgot to add that.

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Natty said:

If Truffle is lying about being Wes, how come nobody has stepped up to CC him? Well atleast publicly, anyways. If nobody has CC'd privately to someone they trust, then I believe Truffle 100%. I already trust him now because he approached me via pm revealing his role after he thought I was scum due to a mistake in Wes' role description, which was rather early on in the game. That's the reason why I so easily bandwagoned with Truffle on you, because I knew the Wes he was talking about was himself.

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Tom said:

Before I get started with working something against Truffle, here's my suspicions:

High Priority Scum/SK: Truffle, Ryan88, sharkystriker22
Medium: Alise, Caraid, River
Low: Karen, Blue Leaf, Natty

Tonight I've sent my Noctowl to watch Ryan88. I waited this long hoping that Ryan has already sent in his actions. The previous night I sent Noctowl to watch Crystal except everything came back ????, so I have no idea what happened there period. N0 I didn't use it because I was busy at the time and didn't hit send on the PM like I thought. Why do I suspect Ryan88 of being Miror B? Because he's skirting by, there is a confirmed 3rd Party that nobody seems to be looking for, and I didn't want to risk an inspection on Truffle. I think Truffle is Dakim and while Dakim only kills people who inspect/steal their Pokemon, I didn't want to risk it also applying to watchers. If Truffle does turn out to be Wes, well I'm sorry I didn't believe you but when you're pushing me as Godfather I will push back.

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I can understand where Truffle is coming from logically. Your gut tells you this person is most likely mafia, but you lack the evidence to prove it. You didn't steal Tyranitar from them but you really feel like they are the threat so you lie a little. That's fine. Except I never had Tyranitar and lynching me/Truffle may just only prove neither of us have Tyranitar and town is still screwed.

Honestly my gut is still telling me Truffle is in fact town, but this strange blindside is confusing. I don't have Tyranitar and I really don't believe Truffle stole it (night will probably confirm as much if we have two deaths). So Truffle why the lie? Why the secrecy and push to have me killed? :/ Not to mention if you were actually telling the truth, why hide that for some reaction testing? Hardly anyone defended me and you could have just done me in there if you were remotely telling the truth about T-Tar.

Honestly I was going to try and turn this into a case against Truffle, but I'm feeling less certain about this as I comb through Truffle's posts. :/ Maybe this whole thing is a ploy by Mafia. Do you have an inner circle Truffle? Someone who might have known you were going to try and steal from me or are you actually just bluffing?

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Let's just go back to Dad's post. Some of you dissected it already, but I want us to run through it again. Maybe there's something we missed in here.



Dad mentioned Ryan88 to get him out the way, saying he's probably telling the truth. But what if Dad was just covering for him there? I mean for the most part, all Ryan has to do is vote and keep his mouth shut. We'd never be the wiser if Ryan was scum until it was too late.

He mentioned be uncertain with River mostly because of their case, but it seemed like he was avoiding going into detail about her.

He mentioned I was busy, but that I should be watched (obviously).

He town read Alise and felt like anyone going after her was possibly scum

Truffle went after Alise, "kinda" town read. Was also communicating with Dad behind the scenes.

Seemed to want to unclear Natty after the Meta incident, though truthfully Natty could still be scum. Which is actually a decent point regardless, we shouldn't hold host interference as Natty being meta-cleared. It'd be one thing if Natty was say a doctor and they were cleared to protect the same person twice when they're not supposed to, but they were saving Natty from an error. :/

Cariad he stated as scummy and wanted to really go after them, threatening to lynch them if he stayed alive.

He didn't go into Karen very much either.

Sharky he mentioned but didn't do much about that and just outright failed to mention Blue Leaf. Any ideas on why he'd fail to mention you Leaf?

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Maybe he's working with the real Wes? Think about it, putting it out that he's the "real" Wes before Day puts a big target on him. So either baiting Mafia or he's telling the truth about being Wes at least. But I don't have Tyrannitar, never had, never did, and never will. So Truffle is lying about that much.

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