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Mafia TBT Mafia XV: The Siren's Call (Game Over/Mafia & Third Party Win!)
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It's kinda obvious that Karla will just say that he was roleblocked, because despite being an apparently popular player trying to deny Ryan's claims wouldn't work. At least I hope town isn't silly enough to just take a 'stronger' player's word for it. :|
But Nick we can't make assumptions because we don't know how KP works. I won't lie, you're right about it.
Superpenguin
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You're right, let's look at the facts then.
~*~One Kill successfully happened
~*~No one is known to be protected or have lost a life
~*~Ryan blocked Karla
~*~No other roleblock claims
I say it's a pretty good chance Karla is mafia.
This is true, actually. However, it would still be in our best interest to wait and see what Karla has to say before we place our votes, surely? There's still plenty of time left - Around 18 hours.
I understand but isn't that a really big risk?
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It's plurality lynching, so there is no harm in at least voting now in case a boulder crushed your house tomorrow morning.
It's pretty cut and dry, so no.
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And another thing about this is that scum usually can have the same player send in all the KP, so Karla could've potentially sent in all the KP, and Feloreena was the SK's kill.
My only concern is why wouldn't Karla have just claimed to be protected if he were scum?
Perhaps it was because he knew a doctor probably truly did protect him and that doctor would instantly out him as scum considering that doctor wouldn't have received a protection successful notice. Or maybe he just didn't want to take the chance on whether or not victims are told when successfully protected this game.
I can't say I would normally jump on something like this, but at the moment it is looking quite convincing, not to mention how differently Karla has been posting. You can't just blame something like that on the new rule and taking the break like you did. I'm going to wait until morning before I do anything else. Obviously, Karla needs to reply first.
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Cause people will probably skip over it. :}
pls ryan we need this answered
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He probably went off Feloreena's being a name, and thne me saying my name in the game is Josh and then Sataric mentioning Kallie, so yea random names.
Well, this is all very interesting
I think that we should wait for Karla's response to Ryan's town role blocked claim before deciding anything, I do find Karla suspicious after there being only one kill and no protection claims, but let's say that mafia had a fixed one kp maybe and they decided to send out Ryan with a fake claim out to try and get rid of a major threat. I think that Ryan has never been scum before and he's generally viewed as a easy lynch canadite, so he's bound to be lynched or make a major slip-up sooner or later. So as scum, why not have him try to take out the strongest threat possible, far-fetched, I know, I personally find this highly unlikely but I don't what to take out a potentially highly useful player. I'll wait until Karla's response to Ryan's claim before I vote
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I think that we should wait for Karla's response to Ryan's town role blocked claim before deciding anything, I do find Karla suspicious after there being only one kill and no protection claims, but let's say that mafia had a fixed one kp maybe and they decided to send out Ryan with a fake claim out to try and get rid of a major threat. I think that Ryan has never been scum before and he's generally viewed as a easy lynch canadite, so he's bound to be lynched or make a major slip-up sooner or later. So as scum, why not have him try to take out the strongest threat possible, far-fetched, I know, I personally find this highly unlikely but I don't what to take out a potentially highly useful player. I'll wait until Karla's response to Ryan's claim before I vote
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Superpenguin
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Just think if you don't lynch Karla today...all that laughing you'll have to deal with coming from him saying it was so obviously him, but you were all fools. You'd have to deal with that laughter for months and months non-stop, so why not just lynch him and show him he sucks at being scum. 
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That incessant laughter*
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That incessant laughter*
Just think if you don't lynch Karla today...all that laughing you'll have to deal with coming from him saying it was so obviously him, but you were all fools. You'd have to deal with that laughter for months and months non-stop, so why not just lynch him and show him he sucks at being scum.
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That incessant laughter*
Actually, you're right SP. Despite how I thought Ryan could possibly be making this up, the more I've thought about, the more I believe his claim. I completely glossed over that post you brought up that was Karla mentioning something about roleblock and kills. It does seem awfully coincidental that he said that, while possibly having been blocked. Plus I already had thought Karla was acting strangely to what I remember him playing like as town. I had already said something earlier in the game about that, and even though Karla did start posting more, I still had/have a feeling about him. I will send my vote in for him, slightly placeholder-isn and slightly official. I have work tomorrow, which will be from 12-7 PM and day will end at 5, so yeah. :< (Also in case a boulder crushes my house.)
To add on to the Karla train, I was getting a funny feeling from him early in the day, before the role block development. It seemed like he was acting overly desperate and acting kind of awkward with his posts, repeating himself, etc.
http://www.belltreeforums.com/showt...he-Siren-s-Call-DAY-ONE&p=3705783#post3705783
http://www.belltreeforums.com/showt...he-Siren-s-Call-DAY-ONE&p=3705773#post3705773
http://www.belltreeforums.com/showt...he-Siren-s-Call-DAY-ONE&p=3705806#post3705806
http://www.belltreeforums.com/showt...he-Siren-s-Call-DAY-ONE&p=3705823#post3705823
http://www.belltreeforums.com/showt...he-Siren-s-Call-DAY-ONE&p=3707707#post3707707
http://www.belltreeforums.com/showt...he-Siren-s-Call-DAY-ONE&p=3705783#post3705783
http://www.belltreeforums.com/showt...he-Siren-s-Call-DAY-ONE&p=3705773#post3705773
http://www.belltreeforums.com/showt...he-Siren-s-Call-DAY-ONE&p=3705806#post3705806
http://www.belltreeforums.com/showt...he-Siren-s-Call-DAY-ONE&p=3705823#post3705823
http://www.belltreeforums.com/showt...he-Siren-s-Call-DAY-ONE&p=3707707#post3707707
Before I read the rest of the posts, I'd like to address this roleblocker thing.
First of all, ryan ur an idiot for roleclaiming this early off of something as weak as that. It's not like you're a cop and you found mafia (still pretty dumb to claim in that situation). You've doomed yourself, and you've put me, a Townie under suspicion. I don't know if you actually roleblocked me or not, but I had no action last night. In the majority of games that I have hosted/played in, roleblocks do not prevent factional kills (ie. scum kp and sk kills). I've little reason to believe it's different this game, unless Tina is being a doofus.
A summation of the facts from my perspective:
1. I am a vanilla townie
2. I received no notifications last night
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Yes, let's lynch someone to avoid potential embarassment later, solid game plan.
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I made that post in response to this.
First of all, ryan ur an idiot for roleclaiming this early off of something as weak as that. It's not like you're a cop and you found mafia (still pretty dumb to claim in that situation). You've doomed yourself, and you've put me, a Townie under suspicion. I don't know if you actually roleblocked me or not, but I had no action last night. In the majority of games that I have hosted/played in, roleblocks do not prevent factional kills (ie. scum kp and sk kills). I've little reason to believe it's different this game, unless Tina is being a doofus.
A summation of the facts from my perspective:
1. I am a vanilla townie
2. I received no notifications last night
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Just think if you don't lynch Karla today...all that laughing you'll have to deal with coming from him saying it was so obviously him, but you were all fools. You'd have to deal with that laughter for months and months non-stop, so why not just lynch him and show him he sucks at being scum.
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That incessant laughter*
Yes, let's lynch someone to avoid potential embarassment later, solid game plan.
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I made that post in response to this.
I'm voting for Natty, as she was the second person to vote for me, with wishywashy reasoning in her posts. Let's look at them:
Unless, and why has nobody considered this, ryan and I are both telling the truth. But that doesn't matter to you, because you already know that, right? And it doesn't matter whose side you take here, you know we're both innocent, and you would be happy to lynch either one of us. Hence why you haven't firmly settled in one particular camp.
As for your posting in the rest of the thread, you never bring anything to the table. You make the easy jab at alise for being inactive. In fact a substantial number of your posts are activity related:
I guess the only good thing that could come of our roleblocker being in the open on a misguided attempt to find scum, is that it'll be easy to see who are the opportunistic scum waiting to jump on this ****ty lynchwagon.
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I'm getting pretty sick of this pedestal that people are putting me on. Why is it obvious that I will say I was roleblocked? You've already decided in your mind that I'm scum and was successfully roleblocked last night? I have no reason to deny Ryan's claims, because I don't actually know if he blocked me or not. The only thing I deny is that his roleblocking of me proves that I'm scum, and it should be apparent to anyone why this is the case.
It's amusing everyone thinks there are only two possibilities, that either I'm lying, or Ryan is lying. Get your **** together because if this is the best logical reasoning town can come up with then scum have an easy win ahead of them.
I don't understand her line of thought in this post. Why is she considering the possibility that ryan is a scum roleblocker? You don't need to be an actual scumblocker to claim you roleblocked someone in order to frame them. If you're a scumblocker, exposing yourself like this isn't helpful. Usually you get a goon to frontline these sort of plays while keeping the real scumblocker safe and hidden.
Again, you're going back and forth with this post. You never talk in certain terms, speaking about how ryan could possibly be making this up, and how I could possibly have been blocked. And your vote for me, you stress, is "slightly placeholder-ish and slightly official" (could you be any more wishywashy than this). You either think ryan is telling the truth, or I'm telling the truth.
Unless, and why has nobody considered this, ryan and I are both telling the truth. But that doesn't matter to you, because you already know that, right? And it doesn't matter whose side you take here, you know we're both innocent, and you would be happy to lynch either one of us. Hence why you haven't firmly settled in one particular camp.
As for your posting in the rest of the thread, you never bring anything to the table. You make the easy jab at alise for being inactive. In fact a substantial number of your posts are activity related:
Well. Atleast you're posting now
Which makes this following post even funnier:
Nice, ask everyone else to start posting, then admit you have nothing to add yourself. Protip: posts telling people to post are not posts. Anyone can make a post listing inactive people, it doesn't show anything. Rather I view it as someone trying to be seen as active, without actually contributing.
You list out why some kills were prevented: doctors, mafia kp of 1, a mafia point system, withholding kills, but I note that you don't count the possibility that a roleblocker prevented a kill here. Why is that? Is it because you also know that roleblocks don't usually prevent kills?I suppose that's possible- but there's many other variables, such as: doctors protected some of the targeted players, mafia KP could be 1 for some strange reason, or they could have a point system similar to HP mafia like Dolby pointed out. There's also the possibility mafia withheld some kills, but that's highly doubtful~
I agree with Oath, Sataric, I don't know you are so set on the arsonist. But w/e, you could be right. Btw, I see you viewing the thread, Karen.
I guess the only good thing that could come of our roleblocker being in the open on a misguided attempt to find scum, is that it'll be easy to see who are the opportunistic scum waiting to jump on this ****ty lynchwagon.
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I'm getting pretty sick of this pedestal that people are putting me on. Why is it obvious that I will say I was roleblocked? You've already decided in your mind that I'm scum and was successfully roleblocked last night? I have no reason to deny Ryan's claims, because I don't actually know if he blocked me or not. The only thing I deny is that his roleblocking of me proves that I'm scum, and it should be apparent to anyone why this is the case.
It's amusing everyone thinks there are only two possibilities, that either I'm lying, or Ryan is lying. Get your **** together because if this is the best logical reasoning town can come up with then scum have an easy win ahead of them.
Trust me, it happens when you first come back. Everyone gave me crap for not posting big walls, it's just something you gotta deal with.
I meant bland as in you're staying neutral. You are posting, but it's basically full of nothing. It's like enough for us to remember you posted, but not enough to ruffle any feathers. You're not bringing anything up, but complaining about inactives. It boggles my mind. I remember you trying significantly more in games.
People were not URGING you to roleclaim. Dad mentioned if you were a DT that had inspected Karla to tell us. You essentially just made your role pretty useless because now you just put a giant target on your forehead for mafia to shoot. I have never really heard of an entire faction's kills being blocked by a roleblocker. That seems WAY too overpowered in town's favour? Although it's a closed set up and Tina could have made crazy roles.
I think that the role names are mostly people from the IRC's real names. People in the IRC wouldn't really know them, but that's how I figured Tina did it. (Fel was Kayla etc)
Time for bed, will check back in the AM to see how discussion has gone.
Stop role claiming so early in the game. Seriously, this is ridiculous now. You might have done some good for once but now if you're right mafia will come for you. Urgh.
Insulted? What no? I wasn't I thought it was odd he wasn't playing as he normally does but I as i said in my post i out it down to our time zone as it was like 11am when he posted, as did I.
I revoked my suspicion on Karla, as it had no grounds, and I shouldn't have even used the word suspicion really.
Nearly forgot to reply to Ashtot's post:
alise frustrates me because she doesn't really try in forum mafia. She usually claims that she forgets to post. It becomes seriously problematic because we always have to worry if she's scum or town and I hate it.
My replies in bold.
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**** no post merge.
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also the big about alise was supposed to be in the quote. God I need sleep.
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Ashtot said:
alise frustrates me because she doesn't really try in forum mafia. She usually claims that she forgets to post. It becomes seriously problematic because we always have to worry if she's scum or town and I hate it.
My replies in bold.
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**** no post merge.
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also the big about alise was supposed to be in the quote. God I need sleep.
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